Silverstone Sugo SG05
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An observation associated with the installation of a Scythe Shuriken cpu cooler on a Zotac 9300 ITX inside a SG05:
The heat pipes on one side of the Scythe Shuriken protrude more than on the other side (see http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/034/scsk1000-side.html). As a result, one can try to install it on the motherboard in four different orientations, two of which can be discarded straight away because of interference b/n the heatpipes and the MCP heatsink or the RAM modules. It appears that the best (and perhaps, the only correct) orientation is the one in which the heatsink fins are perpendicular to the RAM slots, and the side with the more protruding heatpipes is towards the edge of the motherboard (away from the MCP heatsink). In this orientation there is no interference between the base of the Scythe Shuriken and any of the chokes/capacitors close to the cpu socket. Also, in this orientation the case fan has a slightly better chance of helping with the cooling of the fins.
In the setup in which the heatsink fins are parallel to the RAM slots (as in Mul's pictures), which I tried initially, the base of the Scythe Shuriken sits right on top of the choke/capacitor pair closest to the edge of the board which I see as undesirable, mainly because this might be preventing the base of the heatsink from making full contact with the top of the cpu. This is difficult to notice without installing the heatsink fully, and I had to convince myself that there was contact between the base of the heatsink and the choke/capacitor pair by trying to insert a very thin sheet of paper b/n them.
Once installed, the Scythe Shuriken is very difficult to remove. At the end, I had to turn the pushpins with a thin pair of pliers from a Swiss Army knife.
The heat pipes on one side of the Scythe Shuriken protrude more than on the other side (see http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/034/scsk1000-side.html). As a result, one can try to install it on the motherboard in four different orientations, two of which can be discarded straight away because of interference b/n the heatpipes and the MCP heatsink or the RAM modules. It appears that the best (and perhaps, the only correct) orientation is the one in which the heatsink fins are perpendicular to the RAM slots, and the side with the more protruding heatpipes is towards the edge of the motherboard (away from the MCP heatsink). In this orientation there is no interference between the base of the Scythe Shuriken and any of the chokes/capacitors close to the cpu socket. Also, in this orientation the case fan has a slightly better chance of helping with the cooling of the fins.
In the setup in which the heatsink fins are parallel to the RAM slots (as in Mul's pictures), which I tried initially, the base of the Scythe Shuriken sits right on top of the choke/capacitor pair closest to the edge of the board which I see as undesirable, mainly because this might be preventing the base of the heatsink from making full contact with the top of the cpu. This is difficult to notice without installing the heatsink fully, and I had to convince myself that there was contact between the base of the heatsink and the choke/capacitor pair by trying to insert a very thin sheet of paper b/n them.
Once installed, the Scythe Shuriken is very difficult to remove. At the end, I had to turn the pushpins with a thin pair of pliers from a Swiss Army knife.
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I'm ready to order an SG05 case for my Zotac 9300 now, thanks, but i'm still a bit unsure about a cooling solution for the cpu.
top priority is to keep it quiet, I'll be using the onboard graphics for the forseeable future. I'm torn between the Scythe Shuriken (with fan), or a GeminII (without fan)
Mul, why did you change your build from the GeminII to the Scythe? need more cooling because of the 9800GT? Didn't think the GeminII without fan would do the job?
Also would the Thermalright AXP140 be better than the GeminII, it's similair dimensions but has better fin alignment for airflow with the fan in the front of the SG05? see here : http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1414331&page=2
top priority is to keep it quiet, I'll be using the onboard graphics for the forseeable future. I'm torn between the Scythe Shuriken (with fan), or a GeminII (without fan)
Mul, why did you change your build from the GeminII to the Scythe? need more cooling because of the 9800GT? Didn't think the GeminII without fan would do the job?
Also would the Thermalright AXP140 be better than the GeminII, it's similair dimensions but has better fin alignment for airflow with the fan in the front of the SG05? see here : http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1414331&page=2
Interesting observation. However, I didn't observe any contact with motherboard components at all by installing the Shuriken this way
The decision to get a Scythe Shuriken over the GeminII was purely cost related as I knew the Scythe would do the job just fine and it meant I'd be saving myself a few quid.
If the AXP140 fits, that's a fantastic option!
Interesting observation. However, I didn't observe any contact with motherboard components at all by installing the Shuriken this way
I was too annoyed to take pictures when I noticed the problem. However, I have also seen this on a picture in a German forum, http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=dsc01585k6kr.jpg (shown in
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/showpost.php?p=11994292&postcount=126). Look for the contact between the heatsink baseplate and the black choke. It is possible that in some cases, due to manufacturing tolerances on the board and the heatsink the baseplate might just clear the choke, but in my case there was definite contact.
By the way, on that German forum they are insisting that turning over the fan on the Shuriken (so that it blows up and into the psu fan) improves the airflow and leads to lower cpu/mcp temperatures. I have not tried this so far. Some posters have changed the fan altogether (as in the picture above).
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I'm waiting for the sg05 to be in stock anywhere first 
but I'll let you know once I get one.
but I'll let you know once I get one.
First pic of my SG05 
Did a little modding this evening and figured this had to go up! No room for an optical drive anymore sadly, but there's a 3.5" HDD in there, a dual slot 4850 and an NT06-E. Temps have dropped a whopping 10'C compared to the stock PSU!
One thing i have noticed though, the system seems louder (hopefully vibration noise). Cable management is also harder! Never would have thought a modular PSU would make things worse! It's that bloody 8-pin CPU connector that's to biggest problem.
I still need to drill holes to mount the PSU properly, will do that tomorrow. It's pretty well wedged in as it is though and there's some velcro cable ties stopping it sliding in to the GPU. Then i need to make some sort of proper HDD mounting system and tidy the cables up (will be a lot easier once the PSU is locked in place, the cobles are stopping it sliding forward at the moment).
What video card will i get to replace the 4850?
Did a little modding this evening and figured this had to go up! No room for an optical drive anymore sadly, but there's a 3.5" HDD in there, a dual slot 4850 and an NT06-E. Temps have dropped a whopping 10'C compared to the stock PSU!
One thing i have noticed though, the system seems louder (hopefully vibration noise). Cable management is also harder! Never would have thought a modular PSU would make things worse! It's that bloody 8-pin CPU connector that's to biggest problem.I still need to drill holes to mount the PSU properly, will do that tomorrow. It's pretty well wedged in as it is though and there's some velcro cable ties stopping it sliding in to the GPU. Then i need to make some sort of proper HDD mounting system and tidy the cables up (will be a lot easier once the PSU is locked in place, the cobles are stopping it sliding forward at the moment).
What video card will i get to replace the 4850?
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4870 probally pushing the cash to the limits, you bbaerly have room at the front, maybe with a little dremmal work you could squese in a 4890?First pic of my SG05
Did a little modding this evening and figured this had to go up! No room for an optical drive anymore sadly, but there's a 3.5" HDD in there, a dual slot 4850 and an NT06-E. Temps have dropped a whopping 10'C compared to the stock PSU!
I still need to drill holes to mount the PSU properly, will do that tomorrow. It's pretty well wedged in as it is though and there's some velcro cable ties stopping it sliding in to the GPU. Then i need to make some sort of proper HDD mounting system and tidy the cables up (will be a lot easier once the PSU is locked in place, the cobles are stopping it sliding forward at the moment).
What video card will i get to replace the 4850?
Can we have some more pictures espically of the power supply conversion?
Once i've drilled the holes to mount the PSU properly i'll post pics. Some guy over at [H] got a GTX-260 in there by cutting some of the metal away at the front. I'm looking in to the possibility of a GTX-275 (assuming the price i've seen today isn't a mistake). It's the same size as a 260, right?
There's a lot of mention of the PSU of this thing being able to cope with a 4870, other than the one review that mentions it does anyone have experience of it first hand?
I'm on the verge of selling my current rig and dropping back to a 4870 in one of these but don't want to sell all my stuff and buy more only to have it explode on me.
Satchef1, I'd also be very interested in more pics, especially of how you mounted your atx psu and what modding had to be done in order to do this.
I'm on the verge of selling my current rig and dropping back to a 4870 in one of these but don't want to sell all my stuff and buy more only to have it explode on me.
Satchef1, I'd also be very interested in more pics, especially of how you mounted your atx psu and what modding had to be done in order to do this.
Fitting the PSU is pretty simple really. I've gone back to the stock one though, i don't need a 520W in there and i'm not really loving the noise it's making.
To get it to fit you need a very low profile CPU cooler. I already had an NT-06 installed, which is a little too big so i just reshaped the heatpipes a little until it was lower (doesn't need to be much lower). It's a very tight fit, the pipes touch the side of the case. Once that's done there's a little piece of metal jutting out where the old PSU was (will be pretty obvious when you see it). That needs either bending upwards or removing. Then you'd just need to mark out where the mounting holes need to go and drill.
It's one of the easiest things i've had to do to a case tbh, and if i find i have need for a bigger PSU i'll finish the mod. I'm not really expecting to though. If the next graphics card generation follows on from ATi's 4770 then 300W should be plenty
OK just ordered the SG05, a 4870 and the zotac mobo.
CPU clearance shouldn't be too much of an issue, I'm just hoping theres room to place/suspend a Laing DDC pump and some way of getting tubing outside the case.
Might have to resort to an external res too unless theres room for the pump top res or a small swiftech one.
Am I really pushing my luck by thinking I can water cool in this case?
CPU clearance shouldn't be too much of an issue, I'm just hoping theres room to place/suspend a Laing DDC pump and some way of getting tubing outside the case.
Might have to resort to an external res too unless theres room for the pump top res or a small swiftech one.
Am I really pushing my luck by thinking I can water cool in this case?
Cant fit a radiator internally as far as I can tell. I asked ocuk about fitting a 120 in the front and the response was not optimistic. Fairly savage modding might fit one in the roof, but I think your radiator is going to be external
Oh it's most definately going to be external, not sure how I'm going to mount it yet but I'll post pics or start a build log in a few days when I begin.
By the looks of it I could fit a DDC pump with XSPC res top between the front fan and the mobo (on the right when looking at the case head on).
I have a feeling that 90 degree barbs will become my new best friend, especially if the stock PSU isn't up to the job and I have to somehow shoehorn my Corsair in there. Might even have to source a small modular PSU.
By the looks of it I could fit a DDC pump with XSPC res top between the front fan and the mobo (on the right when looking at the case head on).
I have a feeling that 90 degree barbs will become my new best friend, especially if the stock PSU isn't up to the job and I have to somehow shoehorn my Corsair in there. Might even have to source a small modular PSU.
Don't count on fitting much in there if you go with the Corsair, the case was basically full once i put mine in. Just enough room to squeeze the HDD in (and room for a 2.5" HDD on the case floor), other than that it was crammed full.
With the stock PSU there's quite a bit of room, especially if you don't use the 3.5" drive caddy. Shouldn't have any bother fitting the WC kit in there. You might be able to fit a Rad along the right side of the case too with the right CPU cooler (maybe a GeminII would give you the room?).
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I've gone back to the stock PSU now, didn't drill any holes because there wasn't really much point if i didn't need the Corsair in there. The 4850 is fine for now and looking at the 4770 i figure the next graphics card generation will likely yield some very fast cards that will run on a 300W PSU. If i'm wrong i'll go back to the mod.
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This is exactly what I'm counting on from the next batch of Radeons, This ever increasing power consumption is just silly.
Just bought this case with a 9300 as well and was wondering what sort of temps are people hitting? I applied some AS to the mobo heatsink and it sits at about 45c, the cpu however (E6400 65nm) which is currently at 3ghz is idling around 45-50c but up to 75 under load! :S
I'm used to water cooled temps of 40-45 load, but surley that a little hot?! not really sure what i can do about it, i have mounted the heatisink (Scythe Shuriken) twice and added a 120mm fan ontop of the cooler it but hasnt really helped all too much..is this just the limitation of the cooler? the air flow is ok, although the hot psu directly above the heatsink isnt all to clever, the heatsink fan is exhausting air btw not blowing.
I'm used to water cooled temps of 40-45 load, but surley that a little hot?! not really sure what i can do about it, i have mounted the heatisink (Scythe Shuriken) twice and added a 120mm fan ontop of the cooler it but hasnt really helped all too much..is this just the limitation of the cooler? the air flow is ok, although the hot psu directly above the heatsink isnt all to clever, the heatsink fan is exhausting air btw not blowing.