SimCity V (2013) - screens/artwork and information

Was disappointed with the "unit" or "block" system in this one, loads of unwanted space between properties and had a crappy algorithm on zones.

Hopefully its more challenging at release too.
 
Dont really see the issue... you do not need the DLC to play the game? So if its a rip off just buy the normal version!

Who really cares about having big ben or whatever junk they are trying to sell
 
Scottona said:
Dont really see the issue... you do not need the DLC to play the game? So if its a rip off just buy the normal version!

Who really cares about having big ben or whatever junk they are trying to sell
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With the leaderboard system and city bonuses you get from those landmarks, people who pay money will be higher up the rankings. I never thought Sim City would be Pay To Win.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
With the leaderboard system and city bonuses you get from those landmarks, people who pay money will be higher up the rankings. I never thought Sim City would be Pay To Win.
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Never played a modern EA game then? Peronally, I do not care about others, I am not an ancheivement whore like console players, I enjoy multiplayer games, but am not particularly bothered about leader boards. 95% of people who hit the tops and glitching, cheating and hacking anyway!
 
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The £65 Deluxe version exists for 1 reason, because there are enough idiots out there who'll buy it!
I know 2 others who've pre-ordered it, both from Origin. One paid the £65, the other got a mate to buy him the Deluxe version for around £35 from the Japan store (using his account details) iirc.

If people are stupid enough to pay £65 rather than £35 for the standard version from another store, then EA will continue to offer them nonsense and take their money from them.
Where there are idiots with more money than sense, there are people more than happy to take that money off them. If you think any of it is remotely related to value for money, then you're very much mistaken, its tied directly to people deciding they MUST have that version and being willing to waste money on it.

As for SC being 'Pay-to-win' that wins the award for the most pathetic comment i've heard in this thread. Its purely cosmetic content, and anything BigBen can give you can be done by one of the other 20 odd monument type buildings.


btw - whoever mentioned lack of screenshots, it was against the terms of the beta, not that it really makes much difference to people, but im sure theres plenty knocking about out there.
 
Yamahahahahaha said:
With the leaderboard system and city bonuses you get from those landmarks, people who pay money will be higher up the rankings. I never thought Sim City would be Pay To Win.
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That's not even funny or sarcastic so I'll have to go and say;

I hate that games promote and spend time on useless leaderboards that people seem to give a crap about, you don't win Sim City, it's never a competitive game, you just enjoy it and build a city and marvel at your designs, your success (or learnt failures).

Nonsense achievements thats people seem to get up in arms about when games don't introduce them, like they're actually achievements, think about it. Most are just ways to make players feel like they've done something, the rest are just trophies to say yeah "I actually did work for this".

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The £65 Deluxe version exists for 1 reason, because there are enough idiots out there who'll buy it!
I know 2 others who've pre-ordered it, both from Origin. One paid the £65, the other got a mate to buy him the Deluxe version for around £35 from the Japan store (using his account details) iirc.

If people are stupid enough to pay £65 rather than £35 for the standard version from another store, then EA will continue to offer them nonsense and take their money from them.
Where there are idiots with more money than sense, there are people more than happy to take that money off them. If you think any of it is remotely related to value for money, then you're very much mistaken, its tied directly to people deciding they MUST have that version and being willing to waste money on it.
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What you're failing to grasp time and time again is that what they're doing is great for the developers or publishers but absolute crap for the gamer, the end user, the consumer.
It means that yes, people will buy anything so lets keep doing it, let's keep cutting content and charging exorbitant prices for what was once part of the game and never, ever would gamers of a decade ago of bought this.

If anyone is too blind to see it, these "extras", "dlc" "cash shops" and "microtransactions" have slowing been evolving, from simple nothings to gameplay changing, developers aren't stupid, they know that consumers at large will eat anything up, because like a lot of people, they care too much about their image waaaay too much in real life and in games now. Unfortunately that's more people than not, it actually makes me annoyed to know how self absorbed and narcissistic people can be.

You're trying to tell us we don't have to buy it, we know that, you don't understand that the fact it's their at all, almost double the price for absolutely not the same content or work load.
It's wrong, it's feeding the fat cats and ruining games. Luckily there are still developers out there who care about good games, which means they still get a load of money, not as much of course but then that's all up to individual ideals of "I WANT MORE MONEY" or not.

It's simply lubing us up for the future pains, easing us into accepting this, I can't imagine a decade from now what it'll be like :|
 
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The beta for me -

The good:
-Love the customising/meta management of utilities/public buildings etc. Really looking forward to exploring this one more
-Whilst it doesn't have the most amazing graphics, it runs very smoothly on my 2009 mid range desktop and still looks very pretty. A particular hit for me is the night lighting effects (this was my biggest graphical pet peeve in Cities XL - there are pretty much no night lighting effects at all, just different building textures and some street lights)
-Love the UI look and feel
-This 'Great Works' thing looks interesting. However this is untested and could go either way. Probably more of a 'neutral' than a 'good'.

The not so good
-Don't really like how the zoning works due to the massive gaps between buildings. At first I thought it was cool to watch buildings grow almost naturally, but then I remembered sc4 pretty much does the same thing by merging plots, without the unnecessary space in between. Would much prefer the traditional grid square zoning over this road lining malarkey.
-Whilst i won't go as far as saying the game play was boring, it was a tad easy and occasionally felt like a bit of a grind to just get more buildings placed. However I'm just putting it down to the limited game play in the beta.

The bad/ugly
-I hope there are bigger plots than the one in the beta because there's no way to make a decent city out of it. In conjunction with the aforementioned gaps between buildings it just felt more like "Sim Town 5" to me. Even the 'big' casino city just looked like a town with a few skyscrapers randomly scattered around. This issue is only made worse with the massive gaps between regions imo.
-Leaderboards? wtf? I really couldn't give a dam if Joe bloggs has a city with X more populaion than me. Its my city and ill do what I want with it.

My thoughts on pricing
-Would I pay £65? Hell no.
-Would I pay £45? Hell no.
-Would I pay £35? I would probably be tempted if it weren't for the inevitable extra DLCs
-Would I pay £17? Well, I kinda already have XD. I think overall i'll enjoy it for this price, plus at this price I don't mind the extra DLCs as much and may even bite if they look good
 
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ChrisJSY said:
What you're failing to grasp time and time again is that what they're doing is great for the developers or publishers but absolute crap for the gamer, the end user, the consumer.
It means that yes, people will buy anything so lets keep doing it, let's keep cutting content and charging exorbitant prices for what was once part of the game and never, ever would gamers of a decade ago of bought this.

If anyone is too blind to see it, these "extras", "dlc" "cash shops" and "microtransactions" have slowing been evolving, from simple nothings to gameplay changing, developers aren't stupid, they know that consumers at large will eat anything up, because like a lot of people, they care too much about their image waaaay too much in real life and in games now. Unfortunately that's more people than not, it actually makes me annoyed to know how self absorbed and narcissistic people can be.

You're trying to tell us we don't have to buy it, we know that, you don't understand that the fact it's their at all, almost double the price for absolutely not the same content or work load.
It's wrong, it's feeding the fat cats and ruining games. Luckily there are still developers out there who care about good games, which means they still get a load of money, not as much of course but then that's all up to individual ideals of "I WANT MORE MONEY" or not.

It's simply lubing us up for the future pains, easing us into accepting this, I can't imagine a decade from now what it'll be like :|
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Im not failing to grasp it, im just perfectly aware that all these people who complain about a stupidly overpriced version with meaningless content in it need to blame the people who believe their lives wouldnt be complete without this overpriced content in it.
EA know their market, they know they can do tons of stuff people wont like, but it wont detract a significant enough proportion of people to the point that they'll change their stance. The fact that theres so many people complaining that the version they want is £65, ignoring a version 99% identical for 2/3 the price, tells you people are crazy when it comes to wanting the best versions, and EA know it'll sell plenty.

It goes against common sense for people to buy a £65 version over a £45 version simply for a smidgen of extra content, but EA know people wont use their common sense, they know if they released a £100 version with the same treatment then people WILL buy it.
If consumers cant even be trusted to use common sense when making their own purchase, then why on earth should the blame be put onto the ones selling it??
Its not like £65 is the entry level, so they have to pay that to play it, but common sense goes out the window, desire kicks in, and out comes the credit card.

As for cutting content, i doubt you could consider EU style buildings as content relevant to the core game. If they'd put a new specialisation in as DLC then fair enough to a degree, but content whether its vanilla or dlc requires paying for, and if it goes into the core game then its possible something else has to come out. When they make it DLC its because they're selling it and consumers pay for that work. Im not a huge fan of DLC, theres not that much DLC ive bought in all the years its been going on, Borderlands 1&2, the BF2 dlc's, the odd map pack in games when they've been on sale etc. Theres almost certainly 2-3x more instances of DLC im dead against than think is justifiable. So im no fan of DLC, but when so many people justify its existence then these companies will continue to dish it out, and push to see how far they can go with it. £130 for a COD title with a cheap RC car, and they sell... i just think its wrong to blame the manufacturers when the consumers could put a stop to it by not buying it and the likes of EA would see its a waste of time, but people buy it, so companies milk it. If anything is to blame for the £65 Deluxe version, its the consumers who do exactly what EA & co expect they'll do, every time, without fail. How can you blame someone for creating something that there is clearly a market for??

These companies dont need pro-consumer justification for what they're creating, as long as people go out and buy it then they have the justification. If the consumer decides they want it, thats their choice, if they dont want it then developers would quickly get the message and realise it isnt profitable to create content nobody wants. You seem to be unhappy that there is a market for it all, and people blindly go out an buy this rubbish which only encourages it. I dont disagree with that, but i dont put the fault on the opportunist developers, they make what allows them to continue developing, and making extremely profitable games at the direction of publishers like EA allows them to continue doing what they love.

We, as consumers, have to take a significant proportion of the blame for what goes on in the gaming world, whether its DRM measures because we pirate games, or pathetic and overpriced DLC because we believe we NEED it to make us happy, its always consumer targeted. Unfortunately, more often than not we play straight into their hands by buying into their spin, we decide we must have the super limited edition with a gold town hall for £85.
EA, just like millions of companies out there, take advantage of our gullibility and insistence of having stuff we really dont need. For some reason, far too often we help justify their actions, and as much as i dislike the stupidity of asking for £65 for the Deluxe version, it clearly doesnt put enough people off to make them think twice in the future.
 
Just seen that one Game retailer is selling an exclusive edition, its basically a half-way between vanilla (limited) and deluxe. Its an steel-case edition with the UK buildings, but not France or Germany, and its £42.99 while the normal limited version is £34.99. So its 1/3 of the Deluxe content, but its actually £2 cheaper than the limited version from Origin, though as i've said plenty of times, its still £35 in a ton of places, including 1 Green Gaming site selling origin keys for £35.

Origin also added an origin exclusive item last week i think 'PLUMBOB PARK' whatever that is.
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Cant find it on Origin anywhere, but google brings up that image as being directed from origin so...

So £35 from the Green site for an origin code, or £35 shipped to your door from plenty of places, £43 for 1/3 of Deluxe, £45 for basic version from origin, £65 for the Deluxe.

Looking at what this Deluxe EU 'dlc' bonus is, it does seem fairly substantial but purely cosmetic. Its obviously took a lot of time to re-style all the standard buildings for 3 EU themes, so its actually more than i was expecting, but then i'd never in a million years pay more than £3-5 for it because it doesnt really add anything new to the game, its certainly nice but i'd easily live without it and wouldnt feel im missing out.
 
PaulC2K said:
Just seen that one Game retailer is selling an exclusive edition, its basically a half-way between vanilla (limited) and deluxe. Its an steel-case edition with the UK buildings, but not France or Germany, and its £42.99 while the normal limited version is £34.99. So its 1/3 of the Deluxe content, but its actually £2 cheaper than the limited version from Origin, though as i've said plenty of times, its still £35 in a ton of places, including 1 Green Gaming site selling origin keys for £35.

Origin also added an origin exclusive item last week i think 'PLUMBOB PARK' whatever that is.
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Cant find it on Origin anywhere, but google brings up that image as being directed from origin so...

So £35 from the Green site for an origin code, or £35 shipped to your door from plenty of places, £43 for 1/3 of Deluxe, £45 for basic version from origin, £65 for the Deluxe.

Looking at what this Deluxe EU 'dlc' bonus is, it does seem fairly substantial but purely cosmetic. Its obviously took a lot of time to re-style all the standard buildings for 3 EU themes, so its actually more than i was expecting, but then i'd never in a million years pay more than £3-5 for it because it doesnt really add anything new to the game, its certainly nice but i'd easily live without it and wouldnt feel im missing out.
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I'd be interested in the UK only pack. I was REALLY not going to buy this, but the beta has definitely left me wanting more. Not sure whether I'm going to drop £43 though. I did spend 6+ hours playing the beta and wanted to continue, but I think the real killer will be if the regions only have one large sized city zone or have to few neighbor cities to make your own region worth playing.
 
Marky said:
Really not loving all the DLC bits and pieces :/
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Ive not read the details regarding DLC but this is really no different to how most games are now generating additional income via DLC content.
Its a PITA, but thats the Economics of games these days :\
 
How's this shaping up so far? I haven't played a Sim City for a long while now, and I'd love to get back into it with this iteration...

However, I've read a lot of negative comments surrounding this. Thoughts?
 
what annoys me is the fact that maxis stated they will continue to support the modding community, as theyre what kept the simcity alive and made it somewhat better with things. they designed and created things that maxis have took and implimented into the game

http://www.simtropolis.com/news/_/s...013-will-support-mods-just-not-at-launch-r241

the fact they wont allow mods, is soley on the fact they want to make them themselves and reap the rewards and money whereas the modding community everything was done for free to create a better gameplay.

It was mentioned in a few other threads that the game's manual was released on reddit. In it, there is a reference to the Sim City store where free and paid for content will be available. Makes you wonder how this is really going to work? There is no way that Maxis and EA can match the quality or the output of the custom content Sim City community. They can't because they're paid to do it whereas we do it as a hobby for free! Hopefully any EA content that you have to pay for is for stuff that broadens the game. If they're planning on charging us for individual building downloads, that doesn't bode well for a open custom content creation by the community because we would, effectively, be competing with EA. One silver lining though is that with a central EA exchange, dependencies should be a thing of the past! The game should be smartly download whatever is needed.
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http://community.simtropolis.com/topic/48252-simcity-modding-discussion/page__st__120


will they stick to a promice of modding tools, or will they just fob us off to get sales and realease modding tools after the games dlc and sales die down?

im with others who cant understand how it will work with perminant internet connection required


http://www.reddit.com/r/SimCity/comments/17iy5s/hey_thats_not_where_she_belongs/c8614ie

[–]fastattaqMayor McCheese 2 points 2 days ago

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but are mods completely out of the question for end-users like myself? I know that I were to mod a game like Diablo 3 with the online DRM, my Blizzard account would be banned faster than I can hit the button on my Blizzard Authenticator.

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[–]MaxisScott 4 points 2 days ago

Its not advised that you mod the game until we release official tools. Not sure what will happen, but nothing good can come from it. :)

and no, i dont know when we will be supporting mods.
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Cavallino said:
Ive not read the details regarding DLC but this is really no different to how most games are now generating additional income via DLC content.
Its a PITA, but thats the Economics of games these days :\
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To be honest, I hate DLC in general. In my opinion, we already spend so much on one game as it is, having to spend more money for extra content that usually has been purposely left out is a bit of a cheek :(
 
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