Singapore Grand Prix 2011, Marina Bay Street Circuit - Race 14/19

Anyone seen the Singapore race edit video yet?

Some interesting radio chatter on there re. the HAM/MAS incident ;) Potentially turns the entire debate of fault on its head...

If you're suggesting from the 'lets hold him up as much as possible' comment that Massa deliberately caused the accident then you're living with the fairies IMO :p

It might be a bit of karma at work but I don't think it alters the debate about fault in the slightest.
 
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If you're suggesting from the 'lets hold him up as much as possible' comment that Massa deliberately caused the accident then you're living with the fairies IMO :p
Just LOL at the straws being clutched at by the Hamilton fans - even the Messiah has got over it :p

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I picked it up from another forum, just cross posting it here. Don't shoot the messenger...
Ferrari trying to stop a competitor and being unsportsmanship is the norm (and agreed as per usual theyve probably stepped over the mark); inferring Massa of all people actually allowed the contact intentionally is quite another. I dont think Massa has the scruples to do what he did after the race, if in anyway he felt he was partly responsible...

Have they even found out exactly when that radio was played live and if it was actually before or after the incident?

Cant help but feel that when it comes to Hamilton, his fans will find any way to apportion blame to someone else other than him...

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I think some people really are clutching at straws.
Hamilton was impatient...just as he has been the whole season. If he had waited another half a lap, he could've taken Massa using DRS, but he was impatient and wanted to overtake him half a lap earlier. He got what he deserved and I sincerely hope that he learns from his last collision.

If he continues to have collisions in every other race (which is what his current collision rate is), then he can kiss goodbye to ever winning another title. He must learn patience.

What amazes me is that in every major sport, the sportsmen have coaches, yet in F1, for all the money involved, the participants have no coaches. It's quite shocking when you think about it. Hamilton could definitely do with some coaching.
 
Just LOL at the Lewisterical crew taking that radio message and projecting so hard that reality distorts :D I mean, honestly. What was the message going to be if it wasn't 'Felipe, hold the guy behind you and we can finish ahead of him'? It's ******* Motor Racing! You try and stay ahead of the guys behind you!

This race should have been a wake-up call to Hamilton. When even Felipe Massa, about as easy-going and slow to anger as anyone in F1 could be, accosts you after a race to tell you that you're being a dick it's time to take a look at yourself.

I hesitated over posting this next thing, because I figured it would lead to nowhere good. But what the hell, if the Hamilton fans want to say that Felipe Massa of all people is an unsporting, cheating swine then I shall feel free to point to every single opinion by every single sportswriter out there who says that Hamilton needs to calm the **** down. So here we go with the opinion of James Lawton, Sports Writer of the Year no less, in his column for the i newspaper:

Anthony Hamilton is not only one of the most agreeable men on earth he is also in some respects at least one of the fathers of his age. He saw that his son Lewis had the dream of being a world champion and, just possibly, the talent to make it happen. So he worked at three jobs. He was never so weary that he could not put in another shift.

Lewis Hamilton duly won the world drivers' title, performing with a natural brilliance that in the opinion of hard judges who included Sir Stirling Moss – who did everything but win the world title – announced him as potentially one of the greatest racers of all time.

In a more accommodating world, Anthony Hamilton might have been able to tell himself it was an open and shut case of job done. Unfortunately, a growing suspicion has turned into a disquieting fact.

The job is not done, and nor will it be until someone – and who is better qualified than the father of the 26-year-old former world champion? – has the nerve to tell the boy racer that not only is he failing certain tests of maturity, he is in danger of becoming the little boy with the big man syndrome who is getting progressively lost.

This is what his rival Felipe Massa – normally one of the easier spirits in a drivers' room inevitably subject to bouts of erupting tension – said in so many words when he slapped Hamilton on the arm during a post-race television interview in Singapore and complained bitterly about becoming a near serial victim of his reckless driving.

Hamilton added to his growing portfolio of mishaps when he smashed the right front wing of his car and sent Massa limping back to his pit. It was the latest instalment of a series of incidents and accidents that now stretches back through six Grands Prix and has left him trailing the championship leaders, including his McLaren team-mate, Jenson Button.
Yesterday Sir Jackie Stewart, another of the great drivers who in the past has invested much faith in Hamilton's raw ability to establish himself as one of the enduring stars of Formula One, was quite bluntly questioning the driver's state of mind. "Great drivers," said Stewart, "don't have so many accidents."

Hamilton Snr is plainly dismayed by his son's latest pratfall but so far has contented himself with criticism of the management team headed by the guru of showbiz celebrity Simon Fuller, whose stable also includes Beckhams Inc and Andy Murray. He points out that almost all the leading drivers had their managers performing various trouble-shooting chores, including a little ego-massaging at the point of action.

Lewis Hamilton was performing that last chore on his own behalf quite extravagantly before the race. He dismissed the pressure on his rival – and prospective repeat world champion – Sebastian Vettel, saying that a real edge comes when you go into the last race with everything depending on your performance, a somewhat loaded reference to his own title-winning move when he passed Massa while approaching the finish line in Brazil three years ago.

Anthony Hamilton, who is now in charge of the young British driver Paul di Resta after last year's break with Lewis, aimed low-key criticism at the absent Fuller organisation but did say, "You look up and down the pitlane and every driver except for Lewis has a driver-manager in his life. I'm sure his management is very good but Formula One drivers need people personally involved in their lives because it is big pressure."

It was hardly necessary to say that some of the worst of the pressure can be self-generated. Indeed, some might say that almost as alarming as Hamilton Jnr's antics on the track was the dismissive thrust of some of his remarks before the Singapore race. Not the least of these was an imperious back of the hand to the veteran Rubens Barrichello, who is sufficiently respected by his rivals to be voted chairman of the drivers' association.

"There are some drivers who are just content with being in Formula One and just existing. Maybe they have families," said Hamilton.

"Look at Rubens Barrichello. He just seems content where he is. He is in a nice place in his life. There are people like me who only exist to be the best. If you're not busy trying to be the best then you are not doing anything."

This must have been deflating news for Barrichello, who in his Brazilian youth was much admired by the mythic Ayrton Senna and in the course of his long career has had a few moments of passable distinction, including 11 Grand Prix wins, 14 poles, 17 fastest laps, 68 podium and two second-place finishes in the driving championship.

Hamilton also pointed out to McLaren – who fast-tracked him into Formula One and gave him the benefits of an extremely quick car and some first-rate industrial espionage when he made his first brilliant dash for glory – that his patience with their failure to match the current strength of Red Bull would very shortly be wearing extremely thin.

McLaren team leader Martin Whitmarsh said the driver was getting plenty of love from the team. "I've known him since he was 11 and there's affection between us and many members of the team. Undeniably it's not been a good year for Lewis but there are five races left and he will re-group."

It is a process clearly in need of some urgent stimulation. Felipe Massa made a start when he slapped Lewis Hamilton on the arm. Now, perhaps someone – and there are no prizes for guessing who – should bend him over his knee.
It's such a shame. After he was so impressive in '09, with the car being utterly awful at the start of the year, I thought he'd properly matured. I also thought his fanbase might have matured with him. Evidently, I was wrong on both counts!
 
I thought Lewis passed Glock to win the title? Massa won, and was for a moment world champion because Lewis was in 6th, but then Glock, on the wrong tires, lost his position to Lewis who crossed the line in 5th and won the title.
No youre right - I think the quote was referring figuratively - well thats how I took it...

Im not sure if Hamilton Snr, really wants return as LHs manager - I wouldnt blame him either, especially as PDR is turning out to be quite the prospect. Hard not to feel sorry for him, for the position hes been put in...

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I thought Lewis passed Glock to win the title? Massa won, and was for a moment world champion because Lewis was in 6th, but then Glock, on the wrong tires, lost his position to Lewis who crossed the line in 5th and won the title.

Yeah, I think Lawton was confusing the overtaking move on Glock and passing Massa (effectively, since Massa had won the race and taken the lead in the championship at that stage) in the title race.
 
It makes you wonder how much of a leash his dad kept him on when he was managing him. It would appear to be one that brought the two to blows but given Hamilton's performance since they parted ways from a business perspective, maybe it was a necessary one?

It strikes me that he needs some proper F1 management from someone who won't **** around and will bring him back to his best.
 
I think most people can see that LH is on a downward spiral at the moment. The thing for me is how he'll take things IF Button beats him this year. Problem is, I'm guessing that he'll implode and that could be the end of him...
 
It would appear to be one that brought the two to blows but given Hamilton's performance since they parted ways from a business perspective, maybe it was a necessary one?

Championships Lewis has won with his father managing him - 1
Championships Lewis has won without his father managing him - 0

Really not seeing how it was necessary, or even good, that they split myself....;)
 
I honestly think he needs to sort things out off track to be focused on track. I really liked Lewis but lately he is starting to drive me mad, I will tell you why. How many people would sell a kidney to be where he is? many on this very forum would have killed for his life, Yet at the moment he is really throwing it away. Yes he is very quick but if making a **** of himself on and off track, Really shouldn't be happening. Button is showing that the car is capable of being at least 2nd in the championship. I honestly think button will finish ahead of Lewis this season and then it's Mclaren who have the to decide how much they hold Lewis in high esteem.
 
Championships Lewis has won with his father managing him - 1
Championships Lewis has won without his father managing him - 0

Really not seeing how it was necessary, or even good, that they split myself....;)

I think you've misinterpreted my post. I was saying that judging by his performance since their split, it would seem that the leash his father kept him on, whilst bringing them to blows, was a necessary one for Lewis to perform well.

Lewis probably didn't like it, hence the two coming to blows but as is so often the case, in the long run it looks as if Dad actually did know best and perhaps the cocky adolescent should have listened. I know it has been the case with me and my dad on occasions, I thought I knew better and declined his assistance only for things to all come crumbling down later :p

As soon as that tight control went, Lewis seems to have lost a bit of his focus.
 
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They weren't on speaking terms for several months, I think it's safe to say the relationship had become a bit tense.
 
I mean, honestly. What was the message going to be if it wasn't 'Felipe, hold the guy behind you and we can finish ahead of him'? It's ******* Motor Racing! You try and stay ahead of the guys behind you!

Exactly.

Massa/Ferrari/Smedley did nothing wrong.
It was Hamilton's impatience which caused the collision.
 
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