Singapore Grand Prix 2012, Marina Bay - Race 14/20

Fluttershy said:
I really can't see Hamilton winning however much i'd like it. The odds just aren't in his favour for being fastest in all races with Alonso doing worse than 2nd. And then when you factor in reliability, maldonado :D etc etc...


What kind of finishes would alonso/seb need for kimi to win? If hamilton could get a few 1sts with button and even webber pushing the others down a bit it could still happen :D
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There are always so many 'what ifs' at this stage of the season. More often than not, the earlier parts of the season are a really good indicator of what's going to happen. So whilst we'd love to see Hamilton win 6 and Jenson push others further back, that hasn't happened all year. And this year, of all years regardless of what tracks are left, it is unlikely to, with so much uncertainty on tyres, strategy and reliability.
 
Skeeter said:
Is it you that he's got that deal with?
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Nope. This deal was made before the season started.
He stated that MSc would out score Nico in the 2012 WDC. I said he wouldn't.

With 6 races to go:

MSc: 43
Nico: 93

As he is showing so much animosity towards Kimi, I think it has to be a Kimi sig. For whatever reason, Arknor does not like Kimi.
 
Mr Men said:
Alonso had brought the gap from 15 seconds down to 7ish when Lewis went out, ...
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Then why was it that after Hamilton went out, Alonso just couldn't do anything about the 2 cars in front?

Also, what about the 1s+ advantage that Hamilton had over Alonso in qualifying? Are you going to ignore this?
 
Lots. Off. Sunama. Posts. :D

Frank offered a bet of £20 to a charity of choice.

I think arknor hates Hamilton more than Kimi.

And Mr Men is confusing his timings. The gap was 15 seconds to Hamilton before he went out, and then after he went out it was 9 seconds to Vettel. No idea what the gap between Hamilton and Vettel was, but it was a couple of seconds at least. Alonso did not come charging up and make back 8 seconds in a few laps as he would have you believe. Like you said, if it was the case, where was he for the rest of the race?
 
sunama said:
Then why was it that after Hamilton went out, Alonso just couldn't do anything about the 2 cars in front?

Also, what about the 1s+ advantage that Hamilton had over Alonso in qualifying? Are you going to ignore this?
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Because they pitted for fresh rubber and Alonso had to manage the tyres to last till the end.

I don't ignore qual but race pace is very different.
 
Duke said:
Mclaren and (particularly) Hamilton have the car now to start every race from pole, if Vettel had just had another mediocre race, I'd say it was doable to catch Alonso, but he may find Vettel taking points off him. I hope Button plays the team card now to help.

I think it ultimately comes down to how quick the Red Bull car is from now on.
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I'd say they've had the car to get pole in the past 4 races, obviously, and they could have the car to do so in the next 6. But Mclaren may not have anything else major coming in the next few races, other cars might. What is true this week might not be next week, the Lotus double drs might be so good they end up blowing everyone away in quali for the next 6 races.

Other cars might have had big upgrades recently but haven't got them setup right yet and those few last tweaks make the difference.

Vettel wasn't exactly miles off Hamilton's best time with his Q2 time, he just couldn't produce another run that good, the car certainly seemed capable of getting within 2th's of Hamilton and the next race might only need to suit the RBR car marginally better than the last.

It's all guesswork, either way a clearer way to say it is if the current cars all stay roughly the same Mclaren and Hamilton could well have a car that is capable of winning the next 6 poles/races, but the reality is, when was the last car able to win 6 in a row? Button only managed 4 in a row IIRC in his Brawn season, Vettel never broke 3 in a row. Is the Mclaren as dominant now as the Brawn was for the first half of 2009 or the RBR at any stage in the past two years?

Chance of Hamilton even getting a podium in 6 races in a row is pretty damn ridiculously low let alone 6 wins.

however the chance of Hamilton gaining a full 25 points back in a single race by winning and Ferrari failing to finish........ depends how helpful Button is :p

Seriously though Ferrari have had so little bad luck, even his worst luck, being smacked into in the first corner, took out his closest rival also. Somehow it feels like Alonso is due a DNF while Hamilton has a stormer.
 
Skeeter said:
If he was 1 second a lap faster, he could have easily covered off another stop had he needed it.
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As I say go back and watch it again rather than telling me I am confused :) Maybe he would have done another stop if not for the SC which made pitting again suicide no? Or don't you take into account the traffic?
 
So where did his 1 second a lap pace go then?

Unless your suggesting he had the fastest car, but for some reason chose not to use it?

The fact is, he had no answer to Vettel and Button, or Hamilton had he stayed in the race.
 
Skeeter said:
So where did his 1 second a lap pace go then?

Unless your suggesting he had the fastest car, but for some reason chose not to use it?
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I already explained that to you, he had to manage his tyres to last till the end as the SC came out and gave Jenson and Seb a free stop with fresher rubber, and closed up all the traffic meaning another stop would be suicide.

It's not hard to understand?
 
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