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Buttons experience, or the fastest driver on track who could help elevate the team much higher over the next few seasons? I know who I'd pick, every time.
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Buttons experience, or the fastest driver on track who could help elevate the team much higher over the next few seasons? I know who I'd pick, every time.
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And Alonso is hardly inexperienced. A Button / Alonso combo could be pretty potent though both on track and PR wise plus Mag has been somewhat disappointing compared to the other rookies/young guys.
However, I can't imagine Alonso going back to McLaren without some contractual guarantees about his No. 1 status. Not after last time
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Thing is, Alosno could afford to lose a little of his speed as he gets older and still be in the top 5 drivers on the grid with ease. Button? Not so much.
They could easily mandate a standard size. For next season, they would just have to build with that in mind.
Designers will di what ever they can to go faster. It's same for weight issue of drivers, increasing the weight, won't mean drivers can pile on the pounds, the designers and teams will still want them as light as possible do they can use ballast.
Designers will di what ever they can to go faster. It's same for weight issue of drivers, increasing the weight, won't mean drivers can pile on the pounds, the designers and teams will still want them as light as possible do they can use ballast.
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http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report...ren-will-annouce-their-2015-line-up-at-suzuka
First comment was made by SMR.
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Haven't commented on there. Just shows I'm not alone then !
Doubt Alonso will go back to Macca but I can see why he would want to. Ferrari are severely lacklustre at the moment with no encouraging news for next year. At least Mclaren are making big changes [Prodromou, new proven Engine winning company etc.]
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I think McLaren/Honda is probably Alonso's best punt for victory if he can't get a Red Bull or Mercedes seat (and he probably can't). Ferrari aren't going to hot next season with no chance of a radical update and their continuing record of mediocrity. Williams might be in with a chance but it's unlikely they'll be able to beat the team that makes their engines.
Bizarre comment: why would you need Button to do development when you've got Alonso?
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This is a valid point if it's a choice between Alonso and Button - both have experience setting the car up so to replace one for the other isn't a problem.
Where I would be baffled, and I know I'm biased so bear with, is if Mclaren go for Alonso and Mag...
Let's just take stock here, yes Button has been out qualified by K-Mag this year, by a rookie no less, which isn't anything for Button's side to shout about, but let's also take a look at the points table - if Button had finished the GP on Sunday he'd currently be beating his team mate by TWICE as many points, at 80 or so points to 39. Kevin wouldn't have scored his one point if Jenson's car hadn't broke.
Beating his team mate by so many points, just like Jenson did to Perez, just shows that imo Mclaren would be mad to not go for an (as stated above) POTENT driver pairing of Button and Alonso. Both are fast, both have exceptional race craft, whilst neither are amazing at single lap runs both know how to get the flag quickest given a decent car. Both are world champions so understand how to deal psychologically under pressure too.
Mclaren would have a MUCH better chance of winning the Constructor's Championship with But and Alo rather than Alo Mag, which is all they should be focused on. The engineering team needs to improve to make a better car so if I was Ron I'd be thinking about how to get as many points as possible rather than thinking about 3-5 year contract drivers with age on their side.
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Alonso would probably get more out of Button too, as I think Button would enjoy the competition and give it 110%.
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Oh another thing as well which might seem trivial but anyway... Alonso has a massive Japanese warrior tattoo on his back and has confessed to being a huge fan of Japanese culture. You don't get much more Japanese than Honda.... apparantly Honda are moving mountains to try and lure him back to Mclaren and with Alonso's affection for Japan already high... well, let's just see what happens, Alonso primarily wants to be in the quickest car possible but things like that can also make a 50/50 gamble swing to one side.
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IF Alonso does got to McLaren I can't see him sharing his setup\data with anyone. He likes to be number one.
McLaren won't be winning anything till 2016 at the earliest.
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My bad, I didn't look up their ages and I thought there was a larger gap than that.
I wasn't suggesting for a minute that McLaren should pick Button over Alonso, Alonso wins that hands down every single time. The question is if Alonso joins McLaren do you keep Button who can develop a car or Magnussen who is relatively speaking a rookie.
Man of Honour
I meant more in the sense Button would try harder, since he wouldn't want to be a #2 driver, rather than him simply just copying Alonso's data.
From the off topic thread:
I followed JB and banged the drum for him on here pre championship when few others did, since the title I have been critical of his hunger and ability. That said why would you get rid of Button and keep KM.
Button is frankly **** at qualifying since the end part of 09, the cars since haven't improved his ability to do well in qualifying. Yet Button beats his team mate in all areas. It doesn't matter that he's a rookie but as everyone is quick to say is on his last legs. If KM can't put the old man to bed on a saturday and sunday farm him out of another team and buy him back IF he ever becomes the real deal.
Alonso Button makes far more sense, in the way Webber Vettel did when the 2nd driver is keen to prove his worth but is a happy to be there no2.
While we are on the topic again doesn't this show there's no need for the off topic thread. Any time anything is being discussed it keeps getting split across two threads. Even when someone posts a thread on a new topic it ends up being a conversation in two places
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That's a massively ignorant statement, tell me, where did you expect Brawn to finish the 2009 season on March 1st 2009 ?
Thought so...
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Unless JB has Alonso's data JB will be shown up.
That's a massively ignorant statement, tell me, where did you expect Brawn to finish the 2009 season on March 1st 2009 ?
Thought so...
You best tell Big Ron then as he said it. "we won't know were we are till the end of 2015"
So shhhhhhhh kids pfffff
Oh and the main reason I wouldn't keep JB is..
Button’s recent qualy head-to-heads:
2014: Magnussen 8 Button 6 (season ongoing).
2013: Perez 10 Button 9.
2012: Hamilton 16 Button 4.
2011: Hamilton 13 Button 6.
2010: Hamilton 14 Button 5.
2009: Barrichello 10 Button 7.
2008: Barrichello 10 Button 8.
2007: Button 9 Barrichello 8.
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I still maintain Alonso has a better chance at Mclaren than at Ferrari. Is it a guarantee? far from it. But at least at mclaren there's a chance of a decent car. Where at Ferrari I can't see that chance till at least 2016. And it would be JB getting the boot, if Mclaren get someone else in.
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Says a lot about Button then considering Hamilton thrashed Button in Qualifying in 10,11 and 12 yet Button scored more Championship points overall... that's awful for Lewis lol...had such a massive advantage come Saturday night yet couldn't score more points in the end. LOL.
Also says a lot about Perez, had a bigger advantage come Saturday night, yet Button scored twice as many points.
Also says a lot about Magnusson....Jenson has scored TWO THIRDS of Mclaren's overall points this season, he has scored TWICE (double) the amount that Kevin "the second coming" Magnusson has scored, yet qualified further back.
Very impressive stuff by Jenson, cheers for backing it up
Keeping Button over Magnusson is, imo, a rather short term, and costly, option.
If they drop Magnusson then Magnusson is almost certainly out of F1, it's rare for anyone to leave F1 and come back so it's unlikely he'd be back.
Now I think that as a rookie he has shown promise, got good pace on a Saturday and has put in some decent race performances, Australia was obviously a big one and also arguably outraced Button in Italy and Belgium but got punishments for rookie moves.
Button would cost far more than Magnusson, and in a fairly short time they'll be looking to replace both of their drivers around the same time, rather than just one.
If F1 seats were determined by being outscored the Button shouldn't have gotten a second year in F1, let alone a third after first being outscored by Ralf Schumacher by double, and Giancarlo Fisichella by 4x
But they're not, which is good because it allowed Button to mature as a driver and ultimately win a world championship...
If they drop Magnusson then Magnusson is almost certainly out of F1, it's rare for anyone to leave F1 and come back so it's unlikely he'd be back.
Now I think that as a rookie he has shown promise, got good pace on a Saturday and has put in some decent race performances, Australia was obviously a big one and also arguably outraced Button in Italy and Belgium but got punishments for rookie moves.
Button would cost far more than Magnusson, and in a fairly short time they'll be looking to replace both of their drivers around the same time, rather than just one.
If F1 seats were determined by being outscored the Button shouldn't have gotten a second year in F1, let alone a third after first being outscored by Ralf Schumacher by double, and Giancarlo Fisichella by 4x
But they're not, which is good because it allowed Button to mature as a driver and ultimately win a world championship...
Not really, he hasn't shown well enough against the old man. Mclaren shouldn't be employing him for prmoise if they want to get back to the top, they should just employ the best drivers available and right now he is not showing well enough against Button.