Sir Alex Ferguson

1 point away from Chelsea and quarter finals of the champions league coupled with earning 5million just from his salary alone. Christ I'd love to have 3 year mental periods like him.


Dont read it the wrong way, just go back over the years, I'm not dissing him about it, its just what he does.
The team goes through a couple of years where for what ever reason he lets certain players go, or signs others or blah blah blah, and it just does not go for him.
One point off Chelsea from record breaking fourth title on the trot, Berbatov up front on his own away against Blackburn? a club with how many proffesional players and he cant find two center backs to play against Fulham away?

Its what he does.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Carlos Queiroz come back as assistant, I'm not sold on Mike Phelan at all. I think Fergie needs someone next to him that'll tell him whether it's a daft idea or not & as clear as it is that Queiroz is no manager he knew what he was doing as Fergies #2
 
That article is BS, his last game was in the portuguese 3rd division?

Thats funny as he played for the portuguese under 21s recently - and he scored.
 
That article is BS, his last game was in the portuguese 3rd division?

Thats funny as he played for the portuguese under 21s recently - and he scored.

Clearly they mean his last senior club game which was in the Portuguese third division with Estrela de Amadora before Guimaraes signed him on a free and made a lovely profit.

The only BS reports are those which claim he "made his name at Vitoria Guimaraes" which clearly isn't the case as he never even played for them.

In relation to the topic as a whole, if United hadn't signed him, another big European club probably would have as a number of them were eyeing him up, not least Benfica, Porto and Real Madrid. Ferguson didn't see him play but trusted Queiroz's opinion - what exactly is wrong with that?
 
Man Utd will never sack Ferguson like Arsenal will never sack Wenger, managers that good with that much experience of the club are like gold dust.
 
I wouldn't mind seeing Carlos Queiroz come back as assistant, I'm not sold on Mike Phelan at all. I think Fergie needs someone next to him that'll tell him whether it's a daft idea or not & as clear as it is that Queiroz is no manager he knew what he was doing as Fergies #2

Also agree with this sentiment.

Quieroz was part of the reason for us getting Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson & The Samba Nev's.

Sometimes criticised for the tactics we employed but by the same token, he also contributed to many famous victories at United as well
 
Should Fergie be shown the back door for signing a largely inexperienced player who is a capped under 21 International and who has had a quiet start to his career

no, but that is just 1 example that shows cash is available almost on whim, and that we are buying the wrong players with that cash.

Forget smalling and Bebe, just go out and buy a decent right back. it's that obvious.

or how about buying a good cenrral midfielder? to me it is obvious what we need, a driving force in the middle. an all action battler, who can play as well. Out of all the millions fergie has spent on this area, the cloest he got was hargreaves but he was a crock when we bought him and he is just about finished now.

sure its easy to go out and buy the new flavour of the week winger, but it doesnt mean that we should just keep adding more and more of them and ignore the areas where we are most deficient.
 
Forget smalling and Bebe, just go out and buy a decent right back. it's that obvious.

we have 3 centre backs really (and one of them is very injury prone, several times over the last 3 years we've had a defensive crisis because we don't have enough cover there) Brown is not really a centre back. We have 4 players that can play right back....


so you can see why he went for a centre back really.
 
I'm not normally one to criticise O'shea/brown and even Neville(he's slower, but he makes a foul when its required and his positioning is still pretty top notch, he was never fast, while he gets criticised the team seem to do better with him in there than the others), O'shea was utter turd start to finish today, his passing was truly awful, even towards the end a little after the 2nd Pool goal he even just wasted a really simple throw in which he threw basically straight back to them at a time you were desparate to regain the upper hand.

Brown seems fair more reliable/less crap than O'shea at the moment. Likewise Neville makes mistakes, you wonder how much purely due to not playing much for a couple years, but theres something about the team with him in, he probably has the experience to tell someone infront of him when to cover someone as he reads the game well, he was never fast so relied on learning to read the player he was up against.

As for the decision to rest people, well, would Berbatov been on the pitch after that long to score the 3rd? Would Scholes have lasted, would Rooney have been even more useless, would Giggs have played again over Park(who was utterly horrendous against Rangers), etc, etc. Would that have been a 3-2, or would a few subs to Berb, Scholes, Nani meant that game ended 2-2, or even lost it at the end, or did the experience of berbatov and Scholes manage to stop Liverpool using their momentum to go on and win it?
 
we have 3 centre backs really (and one of them is very injury prone, several times over the last 3 years we've had a defensive crisis because we don't have enough cover there) Brown is not really a centre back. We have 4 players that can play right back....


so you can see why he went for a centre back really.

Yes there are four players that can play rightback, one is almost always injured and nearly collecting his pension, one is a truly horrific player, one seems to of vanished off the face of the earth and the other never gets a game, so must be bloody awful if O'**** keeps getting picked in front of him.
 
we have 3 centre backs really

we have 3 centre backs and ony of them is really bad? so i can understand why he tried to sign a centre back but smalling is clearly worse than Evans and id already describe evans as not good enough for top of premier league/champs league football.

O'shea was utter turd start to finish today

thats because he is an awful awful player. no skill there.

instead of buying 2 naff players for 7 mill just go out anbd spend 15 on someone good?! we arent a charity i dont understand the desperation to find the next best youth. just buy someone already good1
 
Because you buy someone for 15-20mil, to a top four club, they are basically automatically on 60k+ a week, maybe a lot more depending on who they are.

30 players all on 80k a week, which is 4 million a year, 120mil in wages and the club stops making any money at all.

You can't buy a 15million player in every position unless your wages are paid out of a billionaires pockets, just accept that. Scholes and Giggs, VDS will be on HUGE money, like between them the saving when they retire will probably be at least 15mil a season each, the kind of wages that over a 5 year period will pay for 4 7-10million younger potential future stars and their wages. You can't just get those players, a right back, a central midfielder, a winger all today as their wages will be added on top of the rest.

You got a left and right back that for the last couple years loads of Man U fans have insisted look great for the future(I haven't, i think Rafael at the least, maybe Fabio aswell are horrible defensively).

You can't just ignore wages, wages cost many times more than transfers every year, you have X amount of players on your book, they can't all be on star wages, you can't keep adding stars, you add them as you leave. I'd expect Fergie to be looking to buy experience and quality, at a price, for Scholes, VDS, Giggs when they leave and to be looking for cheap potential stars as he has been till that happens.

Its WAY to early to say Smalling is worse than Evans, personally I think Evans gets made a fool of constantly, Smalling just hasn't had games recently, is younger(AFAIK) and played WAY WAY less games in the league than Evans.


Theres really 3 options, buy people for 20-40mil and pay their wages out of pocket, not out of income, only 2-3 clubs in the world can do that.

You buy lots of 3-10million players when they are youngish(18-22) and hope some come good, on lowish wages and sellable for 3-5mil even if they aren't very good. Call that the Man Utd plan at the moment

Buy dozens of really young players (13-18) and pay them 1-10k a week over a long period of time and hope some come good, call that the Arsenal plan.

So its something the club can't do, or two options that really do end up costing the same.

The Utd method draws from a much more defined pool of players where 80% of the potential players have already crashed and burned and aren't playing football at all anymore, or down in a really low league.

The UTD method, maybe 1 in every 4-5 players will be good enough for a top 4 team. The Arsenal method is cheaper, but because you get them so much younger WAY before you can know if they'll come good, you're talking about one in every 30-40 players who might be good.

5x 8million fee, 5x 10k a week for 3 years, or 30x 1million fee, 30x 1-2k a week for 7-8 years before you know if they are good enough. Theres not a huge amount of difference.

End of the day EVERY club will buy LOTS of utter failures, thats football, always has been. How many crap players did Mourinho buy at Chelsea who they shipped out almost straight away, City are doing the same thing, Real and Barca do the same thing, so even those guys are buying 3x 30million players, 3x100k a week, and only ending up with one "keeper" .

Smalling could be great, the twins MIGHT get good enough, they might be cheapish long term backup, you don't have a central midfielder or another great winger, but when Giggs/Scholes retire, you'll be buying some, same for VDS. Which will mostly leave you weak at right back.
 
i respect ferguson, there's no denying his record but some of the players mentioned in this thread are clearly not good enough. i suppose it's fair that berbatov worked twice as hard as o'shea because he is twice as good!
 
I have no respect for Ferguson, I don't think much of him as a manager nor a person. Some of the stuff he comes out with post match is juust damn right laughable.
 
i think that many managers blessed with the youth team that came through AND all the millions to spend on top would have suceeded - just has fergie has. maybe even gone further and won the CL a few more times.
 
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