Six Nations 2016
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this french ref can **** off, he screwed us in the RWC
Please fully star out all swearing in future. Thank you.
Please fully star out all swearing in future. Thank you.
The refereeing has been very poor, England have - as usual - given away far too many penalties, but there has been countless Irish infringements that have gone unpunished, including the Irish scrum going to ground three times in the same scrum, directly in front of Nigel Owens (how I dislike his officiating) with no mention.
I think Cares yellow was harsh, from the replays given it seemed that he couldn't have gotten out of the way, but given that Haskell could arguably have been sent off I suppose it evens out, though I'd rather have Care in the last ten minutes than Haskell.
Vunipola has been incredible, again.
England should have scored a lot more points, but I guess it's grinding out wins against the better teams that wins championships. Fingers crossed.
I think Cares yellow was harsh, from the replays given it seemed that he couldn't have gotten out of the way, but given that Haskell could arguably have been sent off I suppose it evens out, though I'd rather have Care in the last ten minutes than Haskell.
Vunipola has been incredible, again.
England should have scored a lot more points, but I guess it's grinding out wins against the better teams that wins championships. Fingers crossed.
Caporegime
He was the same ref who penalised England out of the game against Australia. He's an absolute and utter disgrace.
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Well Brown might have been dangerous play, as h kicked out several times without control, when a penalty had already been given. I thought it was totally unnecessary, and he looked like roid rage in his last match, looked like it again today.
The Irish grounding at the end should have been a try.
Would not have affected the result, but unfortunately I think the officiating has been awful in this six nations, first time I have ever seen consistently poor officiating across so many games.
The Irish grounding at the end should have been a try.
Would not have affected the result, but unfortunately I think the officiating has been awful in this six nations, first time I have ever seen consistently poor officiating across so many games.
Caporegime
What Irish grounding? If you saw it then you have xray vision!
You are allowed to use your boot to dislodge the ball, if the Irish player wasn't playing the ball on the floor it wouldn't have been as bad. Tmo and ref looked at it and ruled accidental. So I doubt a citing commissioner would over rule them.
To be fair I think he bottled a yellow for Ireland for a late of the ball shoulder charge on Ford but he also screwed up a fair bit in the first half. Number of times Irish off their feet playing the ball.
Tbh the six nations have been a joke.
Soldato
Seriously? The commentators were pretty convinced that the benefit of the doubt should have been given to the attacker. The ball was "held up" after the referee began clearing the players.
Caporegime
Yeah seriously. None of the camera angles showed the grounding. The ref cannot give what he cannot see. The fourth official could not see it. The four people in my front room watching could not see it.
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Yes and if he had asked the question, 'any reason why I cannot award the try?' instead of 'try or no try' then there would have been a try awarded.
A weighted question, with the advantage given to the defending side, not the attacking side.
It hasn't been a great six nations, but that match was the one I've enjoyed the most thus far, even though Ireland lost.
Caporegime
Is there any reason I can't give the try 'yeah, nobody saw it grounded'.
Man of Honour
Whilst the TMO is great for the removal of any acrimony, e.g. "we was robbed" etc... I still think it does remove some of the benefit of the doubt from the old days which made matches more exciting. Though it does help keep more people "honest" though it is a shame it is needed to do that.
Man of Honour
Pleased with a reasonably convincing win over Italy in the end and stopping that awful run although Scotland probably were still a bit too sloppy in conceding a couple of tries. This is probably my lack of understanding of the rules of the game but it seemed a bit harsh for the referee to give a penalty against Scotland and send off Finn Russell for slowing down the ball - I'd thought that when you were on your feet in the tackle area you were allowed to contest the ball? It seemed a bit marginal to define the difference between contesting and slowing down.
Well done to England, I don't think there could have been much argument were the scoreline a bit closer but the Grand Slam is still on.
Well done to England, I don't think there could have been much argument were the scoreline a bit closer but the Grand Slam is still on.
Don't know if its just me but it seems there is no get up and go and the games so far have been boring. I have followed the rugby for the last twenty years or so and I feel that the games this year has something missing, there is no sparkle like there usually is not even from the top teams. Good to see Scotland win for a change but my pick of the games so far was the England v Ireland but even then there was very little sparkle. Do you agree?.
Soldato
The thing with that is that the England player raised the ball after the play and that was the basis for not awarding the try. From the behind the try line view I find it pretty difficult to argue that the ball wasn't grounded, even if contact with the turf could not be seen.
Man of Honour
So far no one has seemed to be in particularly great form but there have been some very close/competitive games which does help keep the interest but I haven't felt quite as invested in it as I have in previous years, that may change again now that Scotland have at least one win though.
From the position of the players and the ball it certainly seems like it would be almost impossible for the ball not to be grounded but once the TMO is involved it appears that unless you can see the ball being grounded the referee can't/won't give the try. There perhaps should be a refinement with more weighting being given to the benefit of the doubt or in favour of the attacking team at the time but I think overall it's a beneficial option to have. Care definitely needs to be taken with how the question is worded to the TMO as it does influence the outcome.
Soldato
I think that's the crux of it, the referees need to have formed a view prior to asking the TMO for input.
They should be required to state :
"I believe that it was/was not a try. Is there any obvious reason for me to reverse my decision?".
Anything other than this results in the TMO being constrained by the camera angles available.
So happy that we broke our losing streak to beat italy. It was a good match for us with some strong performances, but Italy weren't offering much imo (except parisse - what a monster). Barclay, Hardie, Hogg and Laidlaw were all standout performers, with richie gray also having a good game and jonny being as reliable as usual. It was lovely to see dominant set pieces from Scotland, but it looks like our restarts are still a major problem, and sometimes our defence falls asleep for a minute and lets a try through. We'll definitely be giving France and Ireland problems unless they can step their game up, but we'll have to keep focus for the full 80 to have any chance of winning.
This one's easy to explain - defenders aren't allowed to use their hands in the ruck unless they were already doing so before the ruck formed. I was annoyed with the yellow at the time but honestly I wish more refs were giving yellows for repeated infringements in the 22. It would have made wales vs france a much better game, so good decision from the ref.
This one's easy to explain - defenders aren't allowed to use their hands in the ruck unless they were already doing so before the ruck formed. I was annoyed with the yellow at the time but honestly I wish more refs were giving yellows for repeated infringements in the 22. It would have made wales vs france a much better game, so good decision from the ref.
Man of Honour
Ah, thank you for the explanation, it was just a lack of knowledge on my part. In which case like a lot of these interpretations of the rules that referees seem to take I'd like to see it applied consistently or not at all.
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Indeed, but the wording is there to allow for this.
In this situation
'Try yes or no', means I don't think there was grounding, can you see if there was. Won't be awarded unless certainty is proven.
'Any reason I cannot award the try', means likely was a try, anything to stop me giving it, as in an obvious hold up, an obvious leg under, which there certainly wasn't in this case.
The refs phrasing meant everything in that question, so the TMO ruled no clear grounding. No try. Phrased the other way, it would have been awarded.
All down to the ref and how he decides to play the position.
-edit anyway it doesn't matter now, what has been has been. At 73 minutes I was happy enough with things, Ireland losing 21-10, they were going to lose, then the repeated infringements, Brown's over enthuastic kicking with both feet when a penalty had already been awarded, and that failure to award a try left me irrigated at the result. Even with the score the same, it just marred an otherwise entertaining game.
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