Skyrim fail - Why don't you like it?

sniffy · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:48

Jay794 said:
I'm trying to find other like minded people who don't get what all the hype is about.

That might be true if you actually enjoyed RPG games. You clearly don't. It's just like Robbo's fifa example. Utterly pointless thread.

Witcher1979 · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:48

Jay794 said:
I'm not here to wind people up, like I said, I'm trying to find other like minded people who don't get what all the hype is about. Like I said, nobody is forcing you to be in this thread, if you don't like what is being said, leave.

Because I feel like I'm missing out on something that looks fairly huge, I'm sure I've said that already

You are missing something alright.............................

Aedus · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:52

Moronic thread, if you don't like RPG's then don't play it. Been said multiple times already.

dasyad · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:52

Jay794 said:
Because I feel like I'm missing out on something that looks fairly huge, I'm sure I've said that already

If you don't like this type of game then no you are not missing out on anything. Simples

Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:53

sniffy said:
That might be true if you actually enjoyed RPG games. You clearly don't. It's just like Robbo's fifa example. Utterly pointless thread.

Other like minded people who don't enjoy RPG's maybe?

I can't believe that by me saying I don't get Skyrim, all of you jump in this thread that clearly states I dislike the concept of Skyrim, purely to defend it and to say "Skyrim is the best RPG that was ever made and you must play it"

Thus far, in the previous 3 pages, I've only found 1 person who can clearly justify why they dislike the game, the rest of you love the game, so why are you even here?

Robbo · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:53

InKursion said:
I think the OP's main feeling is that, admitting an entertaining movie or an engrossing book are far better at the 'storytelling' narrative function of art/entertainment, why play Skyrim? Most supporters of the game (and the RPG genre, for that matter) say that the storyline is fantastic-- but really, in terms compared to other mediums, video-game storytelling and writing is still horrifically infantile and poorly developed. Indeed, a fantasy novel would provide a much better story in an infinitely richer, more developed and textured medium. Perhaps you are all just too lazy to read? Perhaps the supposedly attention-deficit 'modern warfare 3 fragger' just admits that games aren't the ideal platform for storytelling delivery, and so seeks it in more suitable forms that you, the RPG player, aren't willing to pursue?

I think games still have a long way to catch-up with other artforms (if games are even to be considered art, which has representation or narrative as a shared basic function) when it comes to storytelling. Taking that as a given, I therefore expect something else to make games stand-out and desirable over the armchair and a fantasy paperback: this is where the social aspect comes in, or perhaps the engaging combat/gameplay itself. Everyone seems to be admitting from point-one that Skyrim is completely individual and asocial, and that the combat 'isn't the point'. Well if the point is the story, why play Skyrim instead of read a book? I think, possibly, that is what the OP is getting at.

Games are a fantastic method of storytelling, when done right.

Skyrim does it brilliantly, as do many other games.

This really isn't difficult to understand... you're being deliberately obtuse.

Witcher1979 · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:53

InKursion said:
I think the OP's main feeling is that, admitting an entertaining movie or an engrossing book are far better at the 'storytelling' narrative function of art/entertainment, why play Skyrim? Most supporters of the game (and the RPG genre, for that matter) say that the storyline is fantastic-- but really, in terms compared to other mediums, video-game storytelling and writing is still horrifically infantile and poorly developed. Indeed, a fantasy novel would provide a much better story in an infinitely richer, more developed and textured medium. Perhaps you are all just too lazy to read? Perhaps the supposedly attention-deficit 'modern warfare 3 fragger' just admits that games aren't the ideal platform for storytelling delivery, and so seeks it in more suitable forms that you, the RPG player, aren't willing to pursue?

I think games still have a long way to catch-up with other artforms (if games are even to be considered art, which has representation or narrative as a shared basic function) when it comes to storytelling. Taking that as a given, I therefore expect something else to make games stand-out and desirable over the armchair and a fantasy paperback: this is where the social aspect comes in, or perhaps the engaging combat/gameplay itself. Everyone seems to be admitting from point-one that Skyrim is completely individual and asocial, and that the combat 'isn't the point'. Well if the point is the story, why play Skyrim instead of read a book? I think, possibly, that is what the OP is getting at.

So is Skyrim just roleplaying fantasy spoonfed to the terminally lazy? There is certainly something half-arsed about the game's voice acting delivery...

You can never ever beat a book. I am not to sure what you are trying to get at, are you saying never play any computer games apart from FPS? Because you can never enjoy a computer game story ever so every game we play should involve a gun and some frags?

InKursion · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:53

Why are all you guys hooked on the idea that a gaming discussion forum should just be a list of 'official fan' threads and rapturous applause? Why is it that anyone that doesn't 'get' it is immediately excommunicated? This is your chance to induct someone that is clearly eager to be bitten by the RPG bug into your world of wonder and amazement. Instead all you can do is tell him he's 'not made of the right stuff', as if he's mentally retarded or somehow too slow, or tell him that his thread is fundamentally flawed because it isn't one of the other hundred 'omg! game rules! please post your agreement here!' discussions. Lame.

InKursion · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:56

voorhees1979 said:
You can never ever beat a book. I am not to sure what you are trying to get at, are you saying never play any computer games apart from FPS? Because you can never enjoy a computer game story ever so every game we play should involve a gun and some frags?

I'm saying that if I fancy good story-telling, yes, I have a large bookshelf that will do a much better job. My entire point is that - as entertainment or art - we play computer games because they offer something more. Something (obviously) interactive with the story-- that's what computer games have that an inert book do not. Your ability to play and manipulate things within the narrative. But everyone seems decidedly hushed about the fact that the UI of Skyrim is an ill-conceived mess, and that the combat is a repetitive hit-once-and-run-away snorefest. Where's the merits of the gameplay? Because for storytelling, a few centuries of fiction written by eminently better minds than Bethesda's team of writers await me.

Raikiri · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:56

Jay794 said:
Doesn't it take over 300 hours to complete the game though, is that healthy?

An hour a day for a year, and that's if you do absolutely everything. You could finish the main story in 20 or so hours.

Jay794 said:
enough kids died playing World of Warcraft and that other game (name escapes me)

Someone died playing Starcraft too, that's isn't an RPG...

Jay794 said:
I want to like it though, I feel like a proper black sheep because everyone
seems obsessed by Skyrim, and I just don't get why?

Because it's an immersive game/genre. Like watching a film/reading a book where you can affect the outcome.

Jay794 said:
take World of Warcraft for example, there is no way of finishing the game, you just do more and more quests and level up more and more, there is no "once you kill this guy, you win and unlock this" aspect to the game, maybe its because I've grown up playing games like that, that I just don't get it

Take BF3 for example, you just keep running around the same maps shooting people and never complete anything, all you do is unlock new guns and level up...

Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:57

InKursion said:
Why are all you guys hooked on the idea that a gaming discussion forum should just be a list of 'official fan' threads and rapturous applause? Why is it that anyone that doesn't 'get' it is immediately excommunicated? This is your chance to induct someone that is clearly eager to be bitten by the RPG bug into your world of wonder and amazement. Instead all you can do is tell him he's 'not made of the right stuff', as if he's mentally retarded or somehow too slow, or tell him that his thread is fundamentally flawed because it isn't one of the other hundred 'omg! game rules! please post your agreement here!' discussions. Lame.

LIKE

InKursion · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:59

Game's operate on very basic reward-pathway psychology. BF3, WoW... FPS, MMO... each genre has its different methodologies and designs to deliver this satisfaction that we call 'entertainment'. The OP's point is that if RPG games are merely graphically-dressed stories, and these stories are inferior to other forms of story, why sit and play it? The sense of reward and satisfaction you get from finishing a book will trump the satisfaction you get from playing a hollow, cliché ridden piece of videogame porn.

NathanT · 13 Nov 2011 at 16:59

You cannot compare a book against a game. (unless you read Steve Jackson and Ian Livingstone for example or other books of this genre)
The idea of a RPG game (and a great deal more in more modern games) is that you have some input in to the storyline, it changes to what decisions you make.

Perhaps you are all just too lazy to read?

I scoffed

I think the problem with this whole thread is the OP started off on the offensive, he could have quite happily asked a few simple questions about the game and could have got some more sensible and well penned answers.

Unfortunately the answers he got were on par to his opening post.

Robbo · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:00

InKursion said:
Why are all you guys hooked on the idea that a gaming discussion forum should just be a list of 'official fan' threads and rapturous applause? Why is it that anyone that doesn't 'get' it immediately excommunicated? This is your chance to induct someone that is clearly eager to be bitten by the RPG bug into your world of wonder and amazement. Instead all you can do is tell him he's 'not made of the right stuff', as if he's mentally retarded or somehow too slow, or tell him that his thread is fundamentally flawed because it isn't one of the other hundred 'omg! game rules! please post your agreement here!' discussions. Lame.

Generally, if you don't like something like this, you ignore it.

Back to the football argument, would you stand in a football stadium at a football match asking the crowd why you should like football when you think it's pointless, dull and boring? No.

I'm not much of a book reader, shall I go on a book forum and tell everyone that some of the greatest books in history are lame just because I don't enjoy them? No. That would be an idiotic thing to do.

As for the OP, he just posts garbage.

sniffy · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:01

InKursion said:
Why is it that anyone that doesn't 'get' it is immediately excommunicated?

Rubbish. If he made a thread detailing RPGs he enjoyed, why he enjoyed them and what he doesn't get about skyrim then that's an interesting discussion. This is just someone that doesn't like RPGs asking why a good RPG is popular. Because people that enjoy RPGs find skyrim to be a good RPG?

Witcher1979 · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:04

InKursion said:
Game's operate on very basic reward-pathway psychology. BF3, WoW... FPS, MMO... each genre has its different methodologies and designs to deliver this satisfaction that we call 'entertainment'. The OP's point is that if RPG games are merely graphically-dressed stories, and these stories are inferior to other forms of story, why sit and play it? The sense of reward and satisfaction you get from finishing a book will trump the satisfaction you get from playing a hollow, cliché ridden piece of videogame porn.

You have this one minded theme about the story. Yes Skyrim does have a good story but it is not just that. You do know most people who play RPG's like to wonder around the map looking through caves etc to see what can be looted. Yes I love the story but the main reason I like RPG's is that I can do whatever I like, I can do quests or I can just wander about finding stuff. You seem to have forgotten that part altogether and based your whole agrument on reading books. I am sorry but I can't wander around finding things myself in a book.

Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:04

I just think that playing a game like Skyrim or WoW, you get satisfaction from completing quests/leveling up etc... would it not be better to go rock climbing or cycling and get satisfaction from that instead. The satisfaction from building something yourself e.g. a computer is a lot more self-gratifying that just going into a shop and buying one isn't it?

dasyad · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:05

Jay794 said:
I just think that playing a game like Skyrim or WoW, you get satisfaction from completing quests/leveling up etc... would it not be better to go rock climbing or cycling and get satisfaction from that instead. The satisfaction from building something yourself e.g. a computer is a lot more self-gratifying that just going into a shop and buying one isn't it?

surely you could be saying that about any game? Either way it is madness

Moothead2 · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:07

Jay794 said:
I just think that playing a game like Skyrim or WoW, you get satisfaction from completing quests/leveling up etc... would it not be better to go rock climbing or cycling and get satisfaction from that instead. The satisfaction from building something yourself e.g. a computer is a lot more self-gratifying that just going into a shop and buying one isn't it?

Oh god, he's dropped to a whole new level :rolleyes:

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Jay794 · 13 Nov 2011 at 17:07

dasyad said:
surely you could be saying that about any game? Either way it is madness

Yes, but a game that clearly has an end like FPS'ers dont last as long

sniffy said:
Rubbish. If he made a thread detailing RPGs he enjoyed, why he enjoyed them and what he doesn't get about skyrim then that's an interesting discussion. This is just someone that doesn't like RPGs asking why a good RPG is popular. Because people that enjoy RPGs find skyrim to be a good RPG?

Thats opinion, Skyrim is only good because a bunch of people say it is, doesn't mean that everyone in the world must like it surely?