Slapping Your Children

Hitman_Leon said:
When I think about this I look at it with equivalence. If I was to strike my 4y/o son the equivalent would be some guy around 7ft and built like an Olympic power lifter giving me a half hearted back hander, not good. Now thinking in those terms were a man of that size to lower his voice and instead of using his hands simply tell me in no uncertain terms I was out of order that would do the job.

I only have to threaten sanctions or lower my tone to get my children into line. My oldest son can be a bit of a problem due to his size 6-1"ish but I have that nailed too. He will goad me and just laugh off what I say thinking he can get away with things. I ignore him and simply tell him a sanction is coming, if he taunts me enough it's gloves off time. When he will not back down I pin him to the floor and rub my knuckles in his ribs (not to hurt but to tickle and annoy) he backs down and makes his apologies pretty quickly.

He has actually told me he does it on purpose some times to to get a play fight out of me because he misses being younger and doing that kind of thing more.
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Totally agree with you, and I see where you analogy comes from. However you have the ability to tell wrong from right and what is morally wrong/right from a wealth of experience. Not at all saying you should hit a child, but as a last resort, I understand why people do and that there is a place for it sometimes.

I agree on your last point to. I remember deliberately winding my dad up to get a reaction, I wouldn't stop until I got the one I wanted. There is something satisfying having a play fight with your dad. Apart from he always won.
 
Hitman_Leon said:
When I think about this I look at it with equivalence. If I was to strike my 4y/o son the equivalent would be some guy around 7ft and built like an Olympic power lifter giving me a half hearted back hander, not good. Now thinking in those terms were a man of that size to lower his voice and instead of using his hands simply tell me in no uncertain terms I was out of order that would do the job.
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It's not at all similar. I think we can all agree that giving your kid a back hander is crossing the line, full stop. This is very different from giving a measured slap to the hand/wrist/leg.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
It's not at all similar. I think we can all agree that giving your kid a back hander is crossing the line, full stop. This is very different from giving a measured slap to the hand/wrist/leg.
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I was not talking a mist across the eyes dazed good grief where did that come from back hander, I was talking a playful mates slap but just a tad hard for being annoying. I just phrased it wrongly, the premise is the same, the size difference that kind of thing.
 
wesimmo said:
This thread would go a lot better if we could agree in the first instance on there being a difference between a short, sharp shock slap to the back of the legs on the very rare occasions all else fails and beating / abusing a kid.
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For a number of people here, there isn't.

The discussion fails before it even starts. Every time.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Because I don't share your position on various social issues? :rolleyes:
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No. Because you advocate racism in certain circumstances, as your post here shows.

Well, I am not sure what their precise argument is. But we're not discussing UKIP's position; we're discussing whether there are rational reasons to be (in your view) racist. Against non-EU immigrants, there is absolutely a rational reason.
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Anyone who makes ANY concession for racism can not possibly be described as 'well adjusted'.

However, we're off topic, so I'll not take it further in this thread. I'm satisfied that everyone reading this can see what you've said.
 
Sliver said:
No. Because you advocate racism in certain circumstances, as your post here shows.

Anyone who makes ANY concession for racism can not possibly be described as 'well adjusted'.

However, we're off topic, so I'll not take it further in this thread. I'm satisfied that everyone reading this can see what you've said.
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You've a very bizarre notion of what racism is.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
It's not at all similar. I think we can all agree that giving your kid a back hander is crossing the line, full stop. This is very different from giving a measured slap to the hand/wrist/leg.
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When does a "measured slap" stop and a hit begin?

At what age does a "measured slap" stop being an acceptable punishment and why?
 
Pestilence said:
For a number of people here, there isn't.

The discussion fails before it even starts. Every time.
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There is a distinct difference but I still agree that it is a step that need not be taken, we should have a poll on this very question.


1, Measured physical punishment against children is the same as child abuse or beating children.

2, Measured physical punishment against children is not the same as child abuse or beating children but I still do not agree with it/will not use it.

3, Measured physical punishment against children is not the same as child abuse and I view it's use as right in the correct context.
 
What if we had an adult cyclist on a treadmill who once thought about gently slapping his muslim child who themselves had NO road tax AND was an immigrant 4 generations ago because UKIP and also religion with computer desks and TV LICENSES and the gays with their views, their horrible, horrible VIEWS and AMerica?

What then. Oh God, what then.
 
RDM said:
When does a "measured slap" stop and a hit begin?

At what age does a "measured slap" stop being an acceptable punishment and why?
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If you really need it broken down for you, and I don't for the life of me really understand why you do.

Measured slap ends when you leave a mark.

And never. I'm 25. If I don't listen to my mum and then she gives me a meausred slap then I know she is serious. (Most the time it's because I'm taking food whilst she is preparing it :D normally from her plate ;) )
 
Hitman_Leon said:
I was not talking a mist across the eyes dazed good grief where did that come from back hander, I was talking a playful mates slap but just a tad hard for being annoying. I just phrased it wrongly, the premise is the same, the size difference that kind of thing.
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The size difference is immaterial, it's the amount of forced used. A parent who loves their child (the vast majority) is unlikely to use an unnecessary amount of force. My memory of being given the belt is that it actually never hurt very much, it still provided a pretty good deterrence all the same.
 
RDM said:
When does a "measured slap" stop and a hit begin?

At what age does a "measured slap" stop being an acceptable punishment and why?
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Well you're hitting them in both cases, but the difference is the amount of force used.

And there is no age when your parents cannot give you a good slap in my view. If my dad hit me now, I'd be surprised but that is his right as a father and I'd not get him done for assault. My father loves me and I trust that he'd not do so unless I did something extreme and needed the sense knocked into me.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Well you're hitting them in both cases, but the difference is the amount of force used.

And there is no age when your parents cannot give you a good slap in my view. If my dad hit me now, I'd be surprised but that is his right as a father and I'd not get him done for assault. My father loves me and I trust that he'd not do so unless I did something extreme and needed the sense knocked into me.
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"Just remember, boyo... you're never too old to go over my knee!"
 
Thompson_NCL said:
Well you're hitting them in both cases, but the difference is the amount of force used.

And there is no age when your parents cannot give you a good slap in my view. If my dad hit me now, I'd be surprised but that is his right as a father and I'd not get him done for assault. My father loves me and I trust that he'd not do so unless I did something extreme and needed the sense knocked into me.
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No one the planet has the right to strike anyone no matter the relationship.
 
Hitman_Leon said:
No one the planet has the right to strike anyone no matter the relationship.
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Don't think anyone is arguing whether or not you have 'the right' to. It's whether you do or not.

What is the recent obsession with 'right's' anyways? Half the problem with this country atm. It's my right to have a job. It's my right to have it pay well. It's my right to have a house. blah blah blah.
 
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