Slapping Your Children

Tuppy_Glossop said:
If you want to be taken seriously when you start talking about studies and papers you need to have read them yourself and be familiar enough with the methodology to defend it. And, for academic rigour, you should also be familiar with papers that find draw different conclusions.
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A vast majority of the studies came to the same conclusion - this isn't cherry picking one study to match a pre-existing line of thought.

That video isn't the only study which matches the same conclusion. (many of which I've read before as I've had this debate in the past).

Demon said:
LOL, the ability to dissect information and form my own opinion is not burying my head in the sand.. did you read my link? it contradicts much of that video's agenda..

Perhaps you need to research a bit more? I can find plenty for/against, it's a great subject, and one my mrs is very well versed in..
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What agenda?, the study states that only one of a large number of studies came to that conclusion - one from a Christian school.

The actual body which commissioned the study didn't agree with her findings either.
 
Demon said:
LOL, the ability to dissect information and form my own opinion is not burying my head in the sand.. did you read my link? it contradicts much of that video's agenda..
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http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26393361&postcount=137

You might have missed this post ;)

Perhaps you need to research a bit more? I can find plenty for/against, it's a great subject, and one my mrs is very well versed in..
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Not that well versed if she dissagree's the the majority of the scientific community.
 
Dimple said:
Sauce?
Tomato or brown will do.

It has always been the thought that the toerags are those who weren't given discipline.
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Certainly hasn't been my experience during the last 8 months teaching. The more difficult kids tend to have somewhat chaotic home lives. :(
 
elmarko said:
A vast majority of the studies came to the same conclusion - this isn't cherry picking one study to match a pre-existing line of thought.

That video isn't the only study which matches the same conclusion. (many of which I've read before as I've had this debate in the past).
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My initial questions for any studies on this topic would be:

1. Have they attempted to identify all other possible causes ?
2. How have they factored these other causes in their experimental design/data analysis ?
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
My initial questions for any studies on this topic would be:

1. Have they attempted to identify all other possible causes ?
2. How have they factored these other causes in their experimental design/data analysis ?
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Your calling me out on not reading the studies and yet your not going to read them to find out this information yourself?
 
People who partake or even defend physical violence towards children not only fail at parenting but also common sense!!

The vast majority of credible scientific studies and research clearly shows smacking children has nothing but an array of negative effects of children's development.

But hey you keep ignoring the empirical evidence so that you can justify your bad temper and short fuse!!
 
I used to get the odd slap when i was a youngster but now, having a daughter of my own, i wouldnt dream of hitting her!
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
My initial questions for any studies on this topic would be:

1. Have they attempted to identify all other possible causes ?
2. How have they factored these other causes in their experimental design/data analysis ?
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I work in statistics, any analysis would factor in pre-existing bias unless it was done by utter incompetents.

To determine if the relationship appears causal they will find a sub-set of children with identical characteristics (age, socio-economic class, parental style, education level of parents etc) then compare children like for like to determine if by just adjusting the factors related to physical punishment it because a predictor for later life.

Obviously numerous other factors can cause these issues, nowhere in the study does it say that ALL mental health problems are caused by hitting a child - just that hitting a child overall has the potential to cause adverse side effects.

I'm not sure why people find it so hard to believe that hitting a child is harmful, why on earth of all things would that not have an impact? - or why would that impact be positive?.

It's hardly an outlandish & unrealistic theory - it fits very well with countless other studies which overlap.
 
I totally disagree with hitting children. Furthermore I cannot stand parents who yell at their kids.
It's not necessary.
 
C.R.A.Z.Y said:
When I use to work as a youth worker a large number of the violent youngsters came from families where violence was present in the home life etc
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When I worked in a Juvenile prison a large number of inmates came from families that gave them no discipline etc etc.

Let's get real, we're discussing a smack on the legs.
 
I would never dream of slapping my son. I also hope that I am bringing him up well enough to never to have to resort to such barbaric reprimands.

He has thrown the occasional tantrum when in public, normally if he is tired or hungry, but I just hug him and take him out of the situation.
 
PapaLazaru said:
He has thrown the occasional tantrum when in public, normally if he is tired or hungry, but I just hug him and take him out of the situation.
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I can not express enough how much tantrums are related to hunger and tiredness. Look at the signs and react to them.
 
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The most common "side effect" of spanking, though, is that spankees are more likely to hit other children. This makes sense to me, and is something I talk about with parents a lot. When you spank a child you are teaching them that hitting is okay -- especially that bigger people can hit smaller people. Is that a lesson you really want them to learn?
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Evidence : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20638720


This week a study was released saying when children are disciplined using harsh physical punishment like spanking, they are at higher risk of depression, anxiety, substance abuse and other mental health problems -- even if they aren't otherwise abused or maltreated.
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Evidence : http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2012/06/27/peds.2011-2947.abstract


But research shows that actually, spanking isn't more effective than any other form of discipline -- and it can end up having effects that parents really don't want. It's not just mental health problems like the current study and other research show. Spankees are also more likely to have trouble controlling their temper -- not surprising, given that so often parents do it in moments of frustration or anger or both. It's not exactly setting the best example for temper control. They may even have a lower IQ.
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Evidence : http://childrenshospitalblog.org/spanking-has-detrimental-effects-on-children/
Evidence : http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CP3.pdf


Bucket load of scientific research and studies clearly evidencing the negative impact of smacking children:

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/CP-Empirical.htm
 
Dimple said:
When I worked in a Juvenile prison a large number of inmates came from families that gave them no discipline etc etc.

Let's get real, we're discussing a smack on the legs.
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To be fair, that's not comparing like for like.

You have to compare reasoned non violent discipline with punitive physical punishment.

A parent who isn't engaged at all, or has no discipline is worse I agree (that one who is engaged but does use physical punishment) - but that's not the argument - nobody is saying "Don't smack & let your children do what they want - become emotionally detached & abandon them". You have to compare two equally engaged parents & simply add the element of physical discipline to determine it's impact.

I'd wager the worst children are those who have no positive relationship with their parents (no ethical or cognitive development) but also received regular physical punishment.
 
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Seems like there is a bit of confusion about what people deem to be slapping.

Beating a child/hurting it is completely wrong, but slapping is completely different. It doesn't leave a mark, doesn't hurt, and if used sparingly, will provide great clarity!

I got smacked probably 3-4 times when I was a child, and it was appropriate to do so eg I nearly caused an accident with a car and was running amok. It brought me back to reality very quickly, and combined with no dinner, meant I never did it again.


(For the record, my parents are wonderful parents)
 
Smacking a child is fine.

As with all forms of discipline you need to use it correctly and in moderation.

I say this who has only smacked my child once, and only had to tell him off once other than that.
He simply did/does as he was/is asked.
 
LateX'Dog said:
So child abuse.

Child abuse is the physical, sexual or emotional maltreatment or neglect of a child or children.
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If you can't acknowledge that there is a world of difference between an occasional light smack as a last resort and actual child abuse then I don't what to tell you. Well, other than that by your definition the majority of the population are victims of child abuse.
 
if I had kids I would use explanation and withdrawal of treat as punishment. I'm sure that hits harder!
But I'm a very calm person who doesn't loose their temper ever really but I can see how someone can loose it with really bad children. It's not right but I can see the series of events that cause it

One of the many reasons I wouldn't have kids with my gf. She would definitely loose her temper. We discussed it and both said that if either of us changed our minds we would have to separate
 
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