Smart meter

{SAS}TB said:
I'm expecting some difference in terms of accuracy when this gets replaced sometime soon :D

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Well looks like I'm not getting a smart meter. Or a new meter.

They're going to relocate the existing one into the new meter cupboard !
 
Will be moving to a new (to us) home in a few months, and noticed it had a SM installed - funnily enough; I've just been listening to my boss banging on about them for a good 30 minutes - he was trying to convince me that they are terrible things, that have the power to turn off devices in the home...

I was awestruck to be honest! But I'll hold my hands up here and say I have no idea who electricity works - as far as I am concerned, there's a big fat cable that runs into my house, and in-turn the sum total of my electrical devices will pull whatever they need through this cable. Boss man tried to argue that an energy supplier will know what devices you are using based on this draw from their network, and in-turn they can throttle the amount of ‘draw’ (or drain?) you can make; giving the example that in times of stress on their network, you could only be given 20% of your normal draw and will in-turn find appliances turn off!

I tried to argue the point, that if you didn't tell their 'tablet' (in his words) what devices you have in the home, how would an energy supplier know what you are using and for what devices. But he was completely adamant that they have/will have the ability to restrict your draw on the network by a percentage, and then (somehow - he was vague on this) you'd then have to decide what devices to run.

He then dug out a bunch of tabloid sources to back up his claims – but all they seemed to allude to, is that suppliers might have the ability to turn off your supply (in its entirety) but only with the consent of the consumer; there didn’t really seem to be anything on limiting the amount of electricity you can pull from a supplier’s network.

Anyone else heard this stance, as it seems a tab far-fetched and conspiracy-esq to me.
 
Scort said:
Will be moving to a new (to us) home in a few months, and noticed it had a SM installed - funnily enough; I've just been listening to my boss banging on about them for a good 30 minutes - he was trying to convince me that they are terrible things, that have the power to turn off devices in the home...

I was awestruck to be honest! But I'll hold my hands up here and say I have no idea who electricity works - as far as I am concerned, there's a big fat cable that runs into my house, and in-turn the sum total of my electrical devices will pull whatever they need through this cable. Boss man tried to argue that an energy supplier will know what devices you are using based on this draw from their network, and in-turn they can throttle the amount of ‘draw’ (or drain?) you can make; giving the example that in times of stress on their network, you could only be given 20% of your normal draw and will in-turn find appliances turn off!

I tried to argue the point, that if you didn't tell their 'tablet' (in his words) what devices you have in the home, how would an energy supplier know what you are using and for what devices. But he was completely adamant that they have/will have the ability to restrict your draw on the network by a percentage, and then (somehow - he was vague on this) you'd then have to decide what devices to run.

He then dug out a bunch of tabloid sources to back up his claims – but all they seemed to allude to, is that suppliers might have the ability to turn off your supply (in its entirety) but only with the consent of the consumer; there didn’t really seem to be anything on limiting the amount of electricity you can pull from a supplier’s network.

Anyone else heard this stance, as it seems a tab far-fetched and conspiracy-esq to me.
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Complete and utter tosh! Have a look back through this thread for my posts. Smart metering is my job, if it was anything like you have been told I would not be able to do it as I would feel like I was cheating people!
 
Scort said:
Will be moving to a new (to us) home in a few months, and noticed it had a SM installed - funnily enough; I've just been listening to my boss banging on about them for a good 30 minutes - he was trying to convince me that they are terrible things, that have the power to turn off devices in the home...

I was awestruck to be honest! But I'll hold my hands up here and say I have no idea who electricity works - as far as I am concerned, there's a big fat cable that runs into my house, and in-turn the sum total of my electrical devices will pull whatever they need through this cable. Boss man tried to argue that an energy supplier will know what devices you are using based on this draw from their network, and in-turn they can throttle the amount of ‘draw’ (or drain?) you can make; giving the example that in times of stress on their network, you could only be given 20% of your normal draw and will in-turn find appliances turn off!

I tried to argue the point, that if you didn't tell their 'tablet' (in his words) what devices you have in the home, how would an energy supplier know what you are using and for what devices. But he was completely adamant that they have/will have the ability to restrict your draw on the network by a percentage, and then (somehow - he was vague on this) you'd then have to decide what devices to run.

He then dug out a bunch of tabloid sources to back up his claims – but all they seemed to allude to, is that suppliers might have the ability to turn off your supply (in its entirety) but only with the consent of the consumer; there didn’t really seem to be anything on limiting the amount of electricity you can pull from a supplier’s network.

Anyone else heard this stance, as it seems a tab far-fetched and conspiracy-esq to me.
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The smart meter has only one relay, the entire power for the entire house. So it could shut off the whole house, but it doesn't have the ability to (say) turn off my heating while leaving the lights alone.

There is a feature called ALCS which allows the meter to send out a low-level signal to something you specifically connect (e.g. a relay to power up storage heaters etc when it is cheap), but this needs specifically wiring in.

There's no way, currently, that what your boss describes is possible.
 
Scort said:
Will be moving to a new (to us) home in a few months, and noticed it had a SM installed - funnily enough; I've just been listening to my boss banging on about them for a good 30 minutes - he was trying to convince me that they are terrible things, that have the power to turn off devices in the home...

I was awestruck to be honest! But I'll hold my hands up here and say I have no idea who electricity works - as far as I am concerned, there's a big fat cable that runs into my house, and in-turn the sum total of my electrical devices will pull whatever they need through this cable. Boss man tried to argue that an energy supplier will know what devices you are using based on this draw from their network, and in-turn they can throttle the amount of ‘draw’ (or drain?) you can make; giving the example that in times of stress on their network, you could only be given 20% of your normal draw and will in-turn find appliances turn off!

I tried to argue the point, that if you didn't tell their 'tablet' (in his words) what devices you have in the home, how would an energy supplier know what you are using and for what devices. But he was completely adamant that they have/will have the ability to restrict your draw on the network by a percentage, and then (somehow - he was vague on this) you'd then have to decide what devices to run.

He then dug out a bunch of tabloid sources to back up his claims – but all they seemed to allude to, is that suppliers might have the ability to turn off your supply (in its entirety) but only with the consent of the consumer; there didn’t really seem to be anything on limiting the amount of electricity you can pull from a supplier’s network.

Anyone else heard this stance, as it seems a tab far-fetched and conspiracy-esq to me.
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The closest this comes to reality is your electricity provider doing dynamic/real time pricing to incentivise you to turn off your kit at specific times of the day. For example, a future where your smart meters companion app tells your Tesla car charger that charging later will be more cheaper (to help them smooth the top of the demand curve). The AI algorithm would then go... well yeah, because typically my owner wouldn't drive at the time you are suggesting anyway and it makes no difference. A bit like economy 7 back in the day, which allowed coal fired stations to be marginally more efficient by persuading people to use the juice that they couldn't help but make and push onto the grid.
 
As I expected chaps, but unfortunately, he put himself into echo chambers on Facebook and Twitter; and you cannot convince him he's wrong.

Thanks for the info though, I'll be sure to have a read back through the thread.
 
BigBoy said:
Complete and utter tosh! Have a look back through this thread for my posts. Smart metering is my job, if it was anything like you have been told I would not be able to do it as I would feel like I was cheating people!
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Some really good info in your posts - many thanks.
 
I had my smart meter install booked for today. They checked both meters and then asked to see my boiler, which is in the loft, then proceeded to tell me they can't install the smart meter because my loft ladder doesn't have hand-rails... hahaha what a world!
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
I had my smart meter install booked for today. They checked both meters and then asked to see my boiler, which is in the loft, then proceeded to tell me they can't install the smart meter because my loft ladder doesn't have hand-rails... hahaha what a world!
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Under current gas Safe regulations a boiler in the loft should have fully boarded access and a fitted loft ladder with hand rails, most installers ignore the hand rails issue as that's a very new addition.
 
Yeh, it is fully boarded and has a fitted ladder, just no handrails. I should have asked why he wanted to see the boiler, perhaps I could have just told him the info he wanted.
 
Le Clandestin Brun said:
Yeh, it is fully boarded and has a fitted ladder, just no handrails. I should have asked why he wanted to see the boiler, perhaps I could have just told him the info he wanted.
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He would have required access to perform a safety check (required by law) and to shut the boiler down safely.
 
Had my smart meters 6 weeks now the display is refusing to show the gas consumption "waiting for current data" is shown constantly on screen tried turning it on and off moving it closer to the meters no joy, seems this a common problem forum posts all over the place no idea if it's sending readings to eon at this point waiting on a email from them.
 
Raggs said:
Had my smart meters 6 weeks now the display is refusing to show the gas consumption "waiting for current data" is shown constantly on screen tried turning it on and off moving it closer to the meters no joy, seems this a common problem forum posts all over the place no idea if it's sending readings to eon at this point waiting on a email from them.
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Your display does not send data, the comms hub on top of the elec meter does that. Contact your supplier and have someone come out and cha he the display, it's a common fault.
 
BigBoy said:
Your display does not send data, the comms hub on top of the elec meter does that. Contact your supplier and have someone come out and cha he the display, it's a common fault.
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Yeah will do my bad i meant the meter sending readings not the IHD checked the gas meter long press on the okay button brings up reading and also able get reading on the display in the settings but it does not tally with the figure on the meter at the moment.
 
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