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Seen this blowing up on the net, one of the worst movies ever on IMDB, bombing at the box office
and the the actress playing snow white getting blamed, likely to be the scapegoat.
My 2 cents the movie had to many issues to start with to be honest.
1. Too many Disney live action remakes, that are rubbish poorly made cash grabs.
2. Poor casting choices, no one that stands out or worth watching , at least Snow White and the Huntsman had some really good actors/actresses and a ok story. in this you have a lot of mistakes and a large price tag. and i've not even seen it, I can already tell a lot with the reviews and trailers.
2.1 You have a Evil Queen that cant act for **** and cant even speak English properly, you need subtitles to understand what she say (which I need when watching justice league). as if she's had a class this morning . you also have her political view and standing, which a lot of people don't like, because of which a lot of people likely chose not to watch it.
2.2 Then You have a snow white, who is not white, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, even if she is light skinned, because of which the the movie had negative publicity online for months.
Niot a well known name and She also has a view a lot of people don't like, but I think they are treating them both differently because of the Views.
3. Too much money was invested in a movie no one wanted, was not polished, screen play that needed work, more of a unpolished turd.
4. We've had at least 3 remakes in the last 15 years
5. Little advertising or marketing or promotion by the leads.
6. Over paid staff, I'm assuming the producer and Gal took a good chunk. for this.
7. Not a modern story, that anyone would go out to watch.
8. Not very appealing to boys
9. Then you have the the CGI
Now they are looking for a scapegoat to push the blame onto, but the real blame should be on Disney for not controlling it better and the producer.
and the the actress playing snow white getting blamed, likely to be the scapegoat.
My 2 cents the movie had to many issues to start with to be honest.
1. Too many Disney live action remakes, that are rubbish poorly made cash grabs.
2. Poor casting choices, no one that stands out or worth watching , at least Snow White and the Huntsman had some really good actors/actresses and a ok story. in this you have a lot of mistakes and a large price tag. and i've not even seen it, I can already tell a lot with the reviews and trailers.
2.1 You have a Evil Queen that cant act for **** and cant even speak English properly, you need subtitles to understand what she say (which I need when watching justice league). as if she's had a class this morning . you also have her political view and standing, which a lot of people don't like, because of which a lot of people likely chose not to watch it.
2.2 Then You have a snow white, who is not white, which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, even if she is light skinned, because of which the the movie had negative publicity online for months.
Niot a well known name and She also has a view a lot of people don't like, but I think they are treating them both differently because of the Views.
3. Too much money was invested in a movie no one wanted, was not polished, screen play that needed work, more of a unpolished turd.
4. We've had at least 3 remakes in the last 15 years
5. Little advertising or marketing or promotion by the leads.
6. Over paid staff, I'm assuming the producer and Gal took a good chunk. for this.
7. Not a modern story, that anyone would go out to watch.
8. Not very appealing to boys
9. Then you have the the CGI
Now they are looking for a scapegoat to push the blame onto, but the real blame should be on Disney for not controlling it better and the producer.
While a lot of what you said is accurate, she also decided to jump on social media and become political (she very much did so in various interviews too) in a highly charged political climate.
The bit I've quoted I'm going to clarify on: The reason Snow White was called Snow White was because she had skin as white as snow, in the live action remake it was because she "survived a snowstorm" which is a frankly ridiculous change. If Disney wanted to make a new/different movie in that vein with a Colombian looking woman (which is her ancestry) that would be fine, nobody would have battered an eye.
For point 2, 3, and 6 you can blame a mixture of Hollywood as a whole but primarily Spielberg who hardcore promoted her (for whatever reason) into an industry and level of stardom she was neither fit or ready for.
The girl can sing well, that's literally it. Fantastic for stage plays, awful for big budget movies coming from a place where politics are heavily tied to movie production.
They gave a glorified Butlins performer delusions of grandeur because an old man took a liking to her, and now Disney is losing bank and her career is in the toilet. They didn't warn her about the follies of the industry, they didn't think that they needed to because many think the same way and it's what is tanking big budget productions. In a sane world she would have been given an agent that made sure she smiled and nodded and kept her mouth shut, people aren't looking to long lasting celebs to tell them what to think let alone someone wet behind the ears.
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But Gal Godot has been doing this for a long time.
Who ever said I don't agree with this ? This is one of my points. they had no real reason to choose someone that is not white for this movie. and they should have stuck closer to the source, its been 88 years and its a classic for a reason, they should have stuck to the source.
Who Gal or Rachel ?
One can just sing maybe act ive never seen her movie and the other cant do anything I know ive seen JL and fast and furious, so my point is still valid they chose poorly when picking the 2. "politics are heavily tied to movie production". this is another major issue for this movie
Yes they both gave a They gave a glorified Butlins performance or worse in some cases. I dont think the reason the movie is in the toilet is down to one actress, I think it was the over all movie. they changed something that worked and was a classic, don't change what's not broken. on top of that they when with rubbish actresses. a controversy to start. the use of too mucb Poor CGI. they changed a big budget production into a budget production by making all the wrong moves. but the only thing i think is wrong is when it floppeds you have a nepo cry baby coming out just blaming one actress to defend the rubbish his farther churned out and mainly because one message and his own views. but he is forgetting the other actresses that has dont it all the time.
The thing I think is wrong is, when it flopped big time instead of really considering things, you have a nepo cry baby coming out just blaming one actress, to defend the rubbish his farther churned out, instead considering the what he made was rubbish, mainly because one message small message from her and his own bias views. but he is forgetting the other actresses has done it all the time. it was nothing to do with the message.
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It has everything to do with the message.
Disney hate their legacy material.
Down with the patriarchy!!
Can’t have a white saviour!!
Can’t have dwarfs in a film about dwarfs!
The film is only Snow White in name.
not sure why you are trying to defend Rachael.
Gal didn’t go public with her distaste for source material at every chance she got.
You tell people you don’t need their business then most will very much take it elsewhere.
What is there to think about?
The films PR was a complete train wreck to a point that Disney had to put a gag on one of the Actresses and cancel most marketing and reshoot nearly the entire film.
Disney hate their legacy material.
Down with the patriarchy!!
Can’t have a white saviour!!
Can’t have dwarfs in a film about dwarfs!
The film is only Snow White in name.
not sure why you are trying to defend Rachael.
Gal didn’t go public with her distaste for source material at every chance she got.
You tell people you don’t need their business then most will very much take it elsewhere.
What is there to think about?
The films PR was a complete train wreck to a point that Disney had to put a gag on one of the Actresses and cancel most marketing and reshoot nearly the entire film.
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Certainly sounds like you treat the two main actresses differently.
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It seems some people are selectively focusing on my statements to fit their own narratives, ignoring the core of my argument. I've consistently highlighted the numerous issues contributing to the film's problems, not just one actress's comments.
Yes, and the message was clear from both Disney and the producer. They made a number of distinct choices that alienated a large portion of their potential audience. Those choices included: changing the race of Snow White, casting poorly suited actresses,
The film was flawed from its inception, ruining the original's appeal. The casting controversy (Snow White, named for fair skin, should have been white; they could have altered the Queen instead) further damaged its reception.
Regarding the actresses' public stances, Rachel Zegler: Support for Palestine, Gal Gadot: Support for Israel, including IDF service. I am not defending Zegler. I am pointing out the double standard of her views being heavily scrutinised, while Gadot's are ignored. This discrepancy is one of the many issues that fuelled the controversy."
The producer's son, Johnna Pratt’s, comments, blaming the film solely on Rachel Zegler's message, while ignoring the film's wider issues and Gal Gadot's equally public stances, highlight a clear bias. This selective criticism is a significant part of the film's failure. Look at other films with similar issues; they still performed well.
and you cant point to her stance on Palestine without pointing at Gal Gadot: Support for Israel, including IDF service as well.
I'm not defending Rachel Zegler. My point is that a double standard is evident: one actress's views are heavily scrutinised, while the other's are often ignored. This discrepancy, along with the film's other issues, has fuelled the controversy.
Isn't that what Disney and the producer did with their choices?
The PR disaster, including the "gag" order and extensive reshoots, underscores the film's systemic failures. Disney's desperate measures to salvage the project further highlight the poor decisions made from the start.
It’s clear the film was a systemic failure, highlighting a severe lack of foresight. I hope Disney learns from this debacle.
I think I have been clear about things and why; if you feel that is the case, please explain why.
Yes, and the message was clear from both Disney and the producer. They made a number of distinct choices that alienated a large portion of their potential audience. Those choices included: changing the race of Snow White, casting poorly suited actresses,
- Rejection of Source Material: including A refusal to cast a white actress as Snow White (named due to her fair skin), despite the source material's clear depiction.
- Casting Decisions: Opting for relatively unknown actresses, even for lead roles, instead of established talent. and you choose a non-white actress to play Snow White, who has expressed support for Palestine. You then cast a main co-star who struggles with acting and clear English pronunciation, and who has openly supported Israel, including her IDF service and AIPAC appearances. With that budget, they could have secured genuinely exceptional talent to compensate for the lack of established names.
- Performance Quality: Choosing actresses whose performances have been widely criticised. poor GCI dwarfs.
- Deviation from Beloved Material: A significant departure from the original film's narrative and aesthetic, which contributed to Disney's initial success.
- Controversial Producer: The selection of a producer with a history of polarising work.
- Poor CGI and Misrepresentation: Replacing traditional dwarves with poor CGI, despite a large budget.
- Remake Fatigue: Adding to the growing frustration with poorly executed remakes of classic films.
The film was flawed from its inception, ruining the original's appeal. The casting controversy (Snow White, named for fair skin, should have been white; they could have altered the Queen instead) further damaged its reception.
Regarding the actresses' public stances, Rachel Zegler: Support for Palestine, Gal Gadot: Support for Israel, including IDF service. I am not defending Zegler. I am pointing out the double standard of her views being heavily scrutinised, while Gadot's are ignored. This discrepancy is one of the many issues that fuelled the controversy."
The producer's son, Johnna Pratt’s, comments, blaming the film solely on Rachel Zegler's message, while ignoring the film's wider issues and Gal Gadot's equally public stances, highlight a clear bias. This selective criticism is a significant part of the film's failure. Look at other films with similar issues; they still performed well.
I'm not defending her. The comments she made about the original animated film's portrayal of romance, describing it as "weird" and the Prince as a "stalker," were problematic. She should have been cautioned or replaced at that time 2022-2023, not have these issues highlighted after the film's failure. You can't just single out one factor when there were hundreds of other significant mistakes. I'm simply pointing out all the issues.
and you cant point to her stance on Palestine without pointing at Gal Gadot: Support for Israel, including IDF service as well.
I'm not defending Rachel Zegler. My point is that a double standard is evident: one actress's views are heavily scrutinised, while the other's are often ignored. This discrepancy, along with the film's other issues, has fuelled the controversy.
They were aware of these issues from 2022-2023, so they can be raised now.
Isn't that what Disney and the producer did with their choices?
The PR disaster, including the "gag" order and extensive reshoots, underscores the film's systemic failures. Disney's desperate measures to salvage the project further highlight the poor decisions made from the start.
It’s clear the film was a systemic failure, highlighting a severe lack of foresight. I hope Disney learns from this debacle.
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Lighhearted and off-topic reply, but I always preferred the older spelling of Rachael instead of Rachel which is the newer / more common spelling.
So you get 10 internet points for using Rachael
Nearly a 70% drop lol
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Jason Statham’s ‘Working Man’ With $15M+ Opening Putting ‘Snow White’ To Sleep & Sending Jenna Ortega’s ‘Unicorn’ Out To Pasture – Box Office Update
Jason Statham's 'A Working Man' leading the weekend box office with $15M+ ahead of Jenna Ortega's 'Death of a Unicorn' and 'Snow White'
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well it is cooler since I grew up with the Turtles!! Raphael was one of my favouritesLighhearted and off-topic reply, but I always preferred the older spelling of Rachael instead of Rachel which is the newer / more common spelling.
So you get 10 internet points for using Rachael
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68% drop at the box office this weekend 
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I imagine the target audience Disney envisaged for this would be young girls. So that would alienate a number of people on this forum. The trouble is that the parents would be paying for the tickets and would have to endure the film too. The lead actress with her comments, smugness and general unpleasantness, not to mention the changes they have made, has impacted those who would pay to see it, thus is a flop. It's not a film I would have the slightest interest in, even if I still had young kids, which I do not. I do find it amusing to see YouTubers steam into it though, so some entertainment has been given by it.
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She's not helped herself. Turns out aggressive narcisscism isn't a great way to sell a movie, and even now she still won't shut up. If she'd have been smart and kept her trap shut and just done her job, which is as an employee of Disney, she could have come out of this debacle with some credit, as by all accounts she's put in a decent performance and she can sing.
She will be blamed by Disney, but that's Hollywood baby!
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If Lilo & Stitch turns out to be a success, then Disney could take note on who they hired for L & S and who they hired for Snow White. Then learn from that and keep politics out of it as L & S seems to be managing to avoid politics so far.
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‘Snow White’, Poisoned By Controversy At Box Office, Won’t Have A Happy Ending With $115M Loss: What Went Wrong
'Snow White' from Disney is set to lose $115M after all ancillaries and bombing at the box office.
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