Snowden files 'show massive UK spying op'

All this will do now (if they weren't clever enough to realise before) is make all terrorists avoid all forms of digital communication or find more secure methods, so it's a complete waste now in terms of the claimed justification of providing us with security.

I'm more interested in how this information can get into the wrong hands given that someone like Snowden had access to the American equivalent, knowledge is power and all that.
 
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[TW]Fox;24510253 said:
What :confused:

So its all done using A4 paper, biros and dead drops?
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Osama Bin Laden evaded detection for quite a few years thanks to methods which this wouldn't have helped.

The government has betrayed its people with this move. Anyone of the mentality of "if you're not guilty you've got nothing to hide" should sod right off.
 
[TW]Fox;24510253 said:
What :confused:

So its all done using A4 paper, biros and dead drops?
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No. Obviously. It's not all done using A4 paper, biros and dead drops. :confused: But you already know that don't you.

I have the ability to reply to your post in exactly the same sarcastic manner as you replied to mine ;) , so here:

You think Osama Bin-Laden had a Facebook group, you think he orchestrated his attacks using Black-Berry Messenger, did he ever order that Viagra he always used to get emailed about?
 
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sports_brah said:
The government has betrayed its people with this move. Anyone of the mentality of "if you're not guilty you've got nothing to hide" should sod right off.
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Yeah this government are masters at control. I mean look at turkey for example, they want to demolish a park and all ****ing hell breaks loose.

Here, they take away all your privacy, then....
  • Make secret meeting deals and tax-safe havens for the super-rich (therefore powerful) to keep them on their side
  • They tell the working class it's all legal so they don't give a **** and keep generating tax and keep paying the super-rich capitalists.
  • They pamper the ****** with immensely subsidised £25 laptops, thereby expanding the scope of privacy seizure, (and not doing it for completely free only so as to not upset the working),

    ....and everyone's happy. :D
 
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nkata said:
I was making explosives in 1968 when I was 16, way before the internet et al.

Only blew up (down) a small tree though with a flintlock pistol.
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Can't believe you posted that. Now you've been flagged as a tree terrorist in the system. Watch out for unmarked white vans sitting outside your house, or strange clicking on the phone line. Can I have your stuff?
 
Curio said:
Can't believe you posted that. Now you've been flagged as a tree terrorist in the system. Watch out for unmarked white vans sitting outside your house, or strange clicking on the phone line. Can I have your stuff?
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According to Moses, we're now all part of nkata's "communication network". How many active members again? :D

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It's about identifying people who could be criminals - the point is they can build a map of a suspect's contacts, and use that information to identify other criminals... so say they arrest you, then work out you've been talking to me (as well as all your other friends)... they'll find nothing to incriminate your other friends, but when they look at me they'll find all the bomb making stuff I've been Googling and talking to you ~off the grid~ about.
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See, this is why this whole charade is stupid. The amount of times we jest. Private jokes. This whole "safety from terrorism" crap is all nonsense.
 
mmj_uk said:
All this will do now (if they weren't clever enough to realise before) is make all terrorists avoid all forms of digital communication or find more secure methods
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Any terrorist worth his salt (not random madmen acting in the name of Islam like the Woolwich murderers) would be using code and heavily encrypted communication. Combined with the classic cell structure this makes intercepting them very hard work that relies on tradition, time intensive, intelligence work.

I can't see any gain using mass surveillance for this. I can see a massive gain for Governments wanting to keep data on their citizens "just in case". However, so many people are scared of terrorists (why, when they are much more immediate threats the agovernments does deal with, escapes me) that they're willing to accept it. Citing the line about nothing to his, a line was was disproven by a Cardinal four hundred years ago (see my post above)
 
LordSplodge said:
Any terrorist worth his salt (not random madmen acting in the name of Islam like the Woolwich murderers) would be using code and heavily encrypted communication. Combined with the classic cell structure this makes intercepting them very hard work that relies on tradition, time intensive, intelligence work.

I can't see any gain using mass surveillance for this. I can see a massive gain for Governments wanting to keep data on their citizens "just in case". However, so many people are scared of terrorists (why, when they are much more immediate threats the agovernments does deal with, escapes me) that they're willing to accept it. Citing the line about nothing to his, a line was was disproven by a Cardinal four hundred years ago (see my post above)
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You're missing the point somewhat. I agree that an the most capable terrorists wouldn't use the internet but:

a) most terrorists aren't particularly intelligent from the attacks and attempted attacks we've seen in the UK;
b) even capable terrorists make mistakes resulting in security breaches;
c) whatever else, you've admitted that this type of surveillance has denied the enemy an extremely useful tool for planning and co-ordinating attacks.

Remember that emails and telephone calls of an Al-Queda courier were integral to discovering the location of Osama bin Laden and his subsequent assassination.
 
What will be the fate of Edward Snowden? Ecuador are back tracking fast on their putative offer of asylum for Snowden. Even Putin has told him to shut up if he wants asylum in Russia.
 
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