Snowden files 'show massive UK spying op'

daver · 3 Jul 2013 at 07:33

englishpremier said:
Not a bad a list of countries. I wouldn't mind living in most of those

Any of the decent countries won't take him, Venezuela and Bolivia seem his best hopes now Assange messed up his Ecuador chance. Two countries that are surely shining lights in their relationship with their citizens, I mean in Venezuela they are protecting them from the evils of toilet paper by rationing it

HEADRAT · 3 Jul 2013 at 17:00

Stretch said:
Apparently he's off

or not

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23158242

To be honest I think Bolivia have a point!

LordSplodge · 3 Jul 2013 at 17:22

HEADRAT said:
To be honest I think Bolivia have a point!

Yeah, actions taken against them were out of order.

Oh Ed not again. · 4 Jul 2013 at 12:58

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...es-monitored-citizens-call-them-authoritarian

Interesting article that strikes chords with a lot of what some people have already posted in here. Rightly, or wrongly.

Adsta · 4 Jul 2013 at 14:20

I liked how in that first article the guardian said "They [GCHQ] are worse than the US."

Well no..... GCHQ are clearly better at it than the US

LateX'Dog · 4 Jul 2013 at 14:26

Following the introduction of restrictions against file-sharing services, Mastercard and Visa have now started to take action against VPN providers. This week, Swedish payment provider Payson cut access to anonymizing services after being ordered to do so by the credit card companies. VPN provider iPredator is one of the affected customers and founder Peter Sunde says that they are considering legal action to get the service unblocked.

Payment providers are increasingly taking action against sites and services that are linked to copyright infringement.

There’s an unwritten rule that Mastercard and Visa don’t accept file-hosting sites that have an affiliate program and PayPal has thrown out nearly all cyberlockers in recent months.

It now turns out that these policies have carried over to VPN providers and other anonymizing services. Before the weekend customers of the popular Swedish payment service provider Payson received an email stating that VPN services are no longer allowed to accept Visa and Mastercard payments due to a recent policy change.

https://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/#

Goodbye VPN's.

The internet is at a tipping point now, loose complete privacy or do something about it.

do_ron_ron · 4 Jul 2013 at 14:32

HEADRAT said:
or not

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23158242

To be honest I think Bolivia have a point!

The hijacking of the Bolivian President against all international laws and agreements is going to cause huge embarrassment for the EU. All S. American countries have condemned it and just heard they are going to hold a summit. All EU diplomats may be booted out. As Britain have been trying to get into Brazil and other S.A. markets in the past couple of years this may be the kind of news they don't need.

Markopolo · 4 Jul 2013 at 15:04

LateX'Dog said:
https://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/#

Goodbye VPN's.

The internet is at a tipping point now, loose complete privacy or do something about it.

Between the private sector and governments they have the internet pretty much locked down already tbh. It's just an illusion of freedom.

Oh Ed not again. · 4 Jul 2013 at 15:08

Enough rope for people to hang themselves should they so desire then?

LordSplodge · 4 Jul 2013 at 15:13

LateX'Dog said:
Goodbye VPN's.

The internet is at a tipping point now, lose complete privacy or do something about it.

It's been under attacks for a while now. The Arab Spring showed Western governments the power the Internet gives its civilians. They don't want that kind of power in our hands.

So now MasterCard et al are the police of the Internet. Governments are seemingly powerless on a legitimate front (so far, SOPA and so on being blocked) so they use their corporate shills to do their dirty work.

A VPN is a perfectly legal thing. For now.

HEADRAT · 4 Jul 2013 at 15:28

In terms of the Internet it's going to be very hard to put the Genie back in the bottle.

LordSplodge · 4 Jul 2013 at 15:44

HEADRAT said:
In terms of the Internet it's going to be very hard to put the Genie back in the bottle.

Not going to stop they trying, nor is it going to stop governments using it for mass surveillance (as has been reviled)

V F · 4 Jul 2013 at 16:26

LateX'Dog said:
https://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/#

Goodbye VPN's.

The internet is at a tipping point now, loose complete privacy or do something about it.

Such as? I love how so many people seem to think they have all this power.

HEADRAT · 4 Jul 2013 at 16:38

LordSplodge said:
Not going to stop they trying, nor is it going to stop governments using it for mass surveillance (as has been reviled)

Unless they make cryptography illegal then they're sunk

Even if they make it illegal doesn't stop people using it.

olivier renault · 4 Jul 2013 at 17:05

LateX'Dog said:
https://torrentfreak.com/mastercard-and-visa-start-banning-vpn-providers-130703/#

Goodbye VPN's.

The internet is at a tipping point now, loose complete privacy or do something about it.

Do what.

Glaucus · 4 Jul 2013 at 17:21

Surprised the French spying hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23178284

Now what will the French goverment say.

All these governments in "shock" no full well they are such data gathering, they're just going for public opinion, by openly slating it, whilst doing it themself.

HEADRAT · 4 Jul 2013 at 17:27

Don't say anything bad about the French or they'll sink your Rainbow Warrior :eek:

Glaucus · 4 Jul 2013 at 17:28

HEADRAT said:
Don't say anything bad about the French or they'll sink your Rainbow Warrior

Good terrorists should be sunk.
Just ashame we have wale wars and the support for other terrorist groups.

LordSplodge · 4 Jul 2013 at 17:28

HEADRAT said:
Unless they make cryptography illegal then they're sunk

Even if they make it illegal doesn't stop people using it.

They already did. Kind of. You have to hand over your encryption keys upon a formal request via the police. To not do so is five years in the clink.

Now if everything gets encrypted (and I wish all Internet traffic was) then things would be better for us end users.

StriderX · 4 Jul 2013 at 17:28

Glaucus said:
Surprised the French spying hasn't been posted yet.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23178284

Now what will the French goverment say.

All these governments in "shock" no full well they are such data gathering, they're just going for public opinion, by openly slating it, whilst doing it themself.

Well, is that not the point?

You make it seem like any government wont do this...