So, you want to keep a pet tarantula?

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Originally posted by Master Skooter
What specie is Idi?

Mugabe's an Orange Baboon right?
There's still a lot of confusion over this in the Tarantula world.

Basically, both are Pterinochilus genus tarantulas. So they will have characteristically similar markings, genetic makeup and behaviour (broadly speaking)

Idi is a Pterinochilus murinus, commonly referred to in the trade as a Mombassa Golden Starburst.
They tend to be burrowers and like it dry - although they often web as well.

Mugabe is what's known as the Red Colour Form or Orange Colour Form Baboon. You'll often find it called an Usambara Baboon.
Explanation.
Mugabe is basically the same as Idi - they are physically almost identical, very similar temperament, and the markings are the same. The colour is different - the RCF/OCF Baboons range from pale orange to deep red like mine is.
They live in the same area of Africa but at higher altitude, in the Usambara mountains (hence the name)
They are opportunistic - they don't strictly burrow or climb, they adapt to the surroundings.

Sometimes they are called Pterinochilus spinifer - this is incorrect, P. spinifer is a different species. There is some debate whether these tarantulas are a colour morph of Pterinochilus murinus (like a variant of the same species) or a completely different and as yet unclassified Pterinochilus sp. (the sp. means it's an unidentified species of a particular genus)
So basically the scientists haven't got around to making their minds up and giving an official name to the species, hence all these names like "Usambara" "Orange Starburst" "Red Color Form Starburst" etc etc.

Rick C West (spider guru) says:
The "Usambara gold" is a Pterinochilus sp., nothing more, and nothing less at this point in time. Although closely allied to Pterinochilus murinus Pocock, 1897, which is found in the more arid scrub/grassy lowland around Mombasa, Kenya, the "Usambara gold" occurs between 3000 to 6000 feet in the lush tropical forests of the Usambara Mountains in northeastern Tanzania.
Aside from the totally different habitat, there are subtle differences between the female seminal receptacles and male palpal bulbs, not to mention the obvious color and size difference It's difficult to say if these differences are geographical race differences or are enough to describe a separate species. Further study is needed, however, only with a large sampling of wild stock with reliable collection data. Some people just can't accept "at this time, this is a Pterinochilus sp." and therefore grasp at names.
I've heard the "Usambara gold" referred to as Pterinochilus spinifer Pocock, 1898. I've studied the P. spinifer "type" housed in the BMNH, along with all the other East African theraphosids, as well as examined all the theraphosids in the Nairobi National Museum, and can confidently tell you that the "Usambara gold" is nothing more than Pterinochilus sp. at this time.

So basically nobody really knows.
I refer to Mugabe as P. sp (Usambara Colour Form)
 
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Some Idi Info :D

I quote:

"These spiders should not be handled, as they are considered very aggressive. They are however very skittish and can move very, very quickly!"

How do you keep the humidity level correct?

Do you simply spray water to keep the moisture, but does the heat come from the mat and builds up inside the tank?

How accurate does the humidity level have to be? I've read some need 70, some 80 etc. Does it have to be spot on?

Also, what process happens when they shed their skin? Do they grow a 'new' skin beneath the existing one, which they then shed?

I came accross these sites, that contained some good info:

David Blades

Arachnophiliac

Easy insects
 
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Humidity:
How do you know it's correct? Well, gauges are pretty inaccurate so I just use common sense. If theres water streaming down the tank sides it's a bit too soggy in there unless it's an uber tropical species. If it's too dry the spider lets you know by sitting over it's water bowl.
I just dribble some water into the soil every few days and let the heat mat evaporate it.

Most spiders you have a +/- 10% leeway at the very least. Some are way hardier than others.

As they grow close to a moult their skin grows from underneath like ours does. A layer of fluid keeps the old and new skin apart. The spider pops the old one open likea banana skin and climbs out, and the new skin hardens over a period of a few days.

The old skin has hair, fangs, mouthparts, eyes, the lot.
If you can get it out while it's fresh and straighten it they look awesome dried. A proper carbon copy of your spider.
 
Hey Lopez :) How's tricks?

I know it's probably not easy to do, but do you think you can get a pic of Idi with something else in the frame so we can get an idea of the scale of things? Maybe a ruler or something else if you don't have one to hand. Or even your hand ;) :p

Does disturbing the spider a lot aggravate it? i.e. would it become stressed out and unhappy, or have they got very short memories?
 
Originally posted by Kendo
Hey Lopez :) How's tricks?

I know it's probably not easy to do, but do you think you can get a pic of Idi with something else in the frame so we can get an idea of the scale of things? Maybe a ruler or something else if you don't have one to hand. Or even your hand ;) :p

Does disturbing the spider a lot aggravate it? i.e. would it become stressed out and unhappy, or have they got very short memories?
Hmmm scale.
I'll think of something in a minute. Idi's only a baby and has a tendancy to grab at things put next to him hehe but I'll have a think.

As for annoying them, they have a very short memory, and what they do remember doesn't realkly affect them the next day. To a tarantula, what happens today has little relevance to what happens tomorrow.

If you consistently annoy them (like every day) they can get stressed, but the most annoying thing is destroying their web (this is why I haven't annoyed Mugabe today, he's webbed up.)
Also, every time I "wake them up" I feed them at the same time.
I took that last shot seconds ago, and dropped a cricket in while he was still in the threat posture. He killed it instantly and is munching away on it now.

Otherwise what tends to happen is the cricket wanders about, gets buried and dies, then you get mould and crap growing in the tank from the corpse.
I find it better to make sure the spider is alert 2 or 3 times a week at the same time as I feed it and this way I know for sure he's eating.
Which is something you can't do with the docile species.
 
Sorry in advance if the question has been brought up before Lopez. But I was thinking today and I am sure that someone said to me once that you could get the fangs (EDIT- I put 'fags' !)removed from the tarantular so that they can't hurt you in anyway. Could you explian if this is true? It doesn't seem like it would be though.
 
Originally posted by Universal
Sorry in advance if the question has been brought up before Lopez. But I was thinking today and I am sure that someone said to me once that you could get the fangs (EDIT- I put 'fags' !)removed from the tarantular so that they can't hurt you in anyway. Could you explian if this is true? It doesn't seem like it would be though.
removing the fangs would mean the spider could not feed.
It would most likely die from blood loss within a few hours, or starve in a matter of days, so not an option.

They aren't like snakes that can be "milked" of venom either.
 
Originally posted by Lopéz
removing the fangs would mean the spider could not feed.
It would most likely die from blood loss within a few hours, or starve in a matter of days, so not an option.

They aren't like snakes that can be "milked" of venom either.

Cheers. I thought it would be a bit dodgy somehow.
EDIT-Keep the pics coming, they re getting better. But don't get bitten in the process.
 
Originally posted by Universal
Cheers. I thought it would be a bit dodgy somehow.
EDIT-Keep the pics coming, they re getting better. But don't get bitten in the process.

I echo those thoughts :D

I only just clicked on that Idi is actaually raised up towards you, I thought he was the other way :)

/hides
 
Originally posted by iam
I echo those thoughts :D

I only just clicked on that Idi is actaually raised up towards you, I thought he was the other way :)

/hides

Bearing in mind this little fella is only about 5-7cms across, he's got a foul temper on him. :eek:

Fortunately my emilia doesn't do that. She raised a leg at me when I first got her. That's about it :D I could probably safely hold her if I wanted to.
 
Originally posted by Lostkat
Bearing in mind this little fella is only about 5-7cms across, he's got a foul temper on him. :eek:

Fortunately my emilia doesn't do that. She raised a leg at me when I first got her. That's about it :D I could probably safely hold her if I wanted to.

Ooooooh..... your feeling cocky eh :p

Good luck if you do ;) :)
 
Originally posted by iam
Ooooooh..... your feeling cocky eh :p

Good luck if you do ;) :)

Naah, not until she's a bit bigger :) She's to fragile for me to go messing with at the moment. I'll get some groovy pics of her babyness when Leon comes up this weekend though, so expect more spidey pics. Oh and I've officially named her Jezabel!
 
Originally posted by Lostkat
Bearing in mind this little fella is only about 5-7cms across, he's got a foul temper on him. :eek:


He looks like he has permanent PMT.

Nice to hear yours is finally feeding Lostkat, looking forward to seeing those piccys.
 
Our Usambara Orange Baboon arrived today. Its only 7cm in size and cost £13.00 including special delivery. As soon as he/she has settled in I will post a pic.:D
 
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