Solar panels and battery - any real world reccomendations?

That's a good usage figure, is 9 panels the most you can fit? I'd get more panels with that kind of usage if you can.

G99 is needed if you can export more than 3.68KW, if system/inverter is that or lower, then G98 is a post installation notification to the DNO. Both should be done by installer as required, G98 or G99.
 
That's a good usage figure, is 9 panels the most you can fit? I'd get more panels with that kind of usage if you can.

G99 is needed if you can export more than 3.68KW, if system/inverter is that or lower, then G98 is a post installation notification to the DNO. Both should be done by installer as required, G98 or G99.

That quote is based on a a remote assessment. If I want to go ahead, a site assessment would follow. So I could raise/query it with them then.

Thanks for clarifying the G99 bit. :)
 
Yeah agree with Mr Hippo.
Thats an average usage of over 18 units a day.
You generation is going to be at a guess somewhere around 2750-3000 units a year, skewed heavily to Apr-Aug.

It would look likely you would export a fair amount in the peak months and generate little in the winter.

Its a hard call but it would seem its a little light on generation compared to your usage and would benefit from more generation and larger batteries. IMO.
Did you give any guidance on system expectations or did they just decide on that themselves?
 
That quote is based on a a remote assessment. If I want to go ahead, a site assessment would follow. So I could raise/query it with them then.

Thanks for clarifying the G99 bit. :)

The panels are fairly big usually (1.7M * 1M or so), you should be able to get a reasonable idea if that sounds like the most you can get on the roof based on that and how large your roof is.

Sometimes people just quote what is easiest for them, and not what is best for you.
 
Yeah agree with Mr Hippo.
Thats an average usage of over 18 units a day.
You generation is going to be at a guess somewhere around 2750-3000 units a year, skewed heavily to Apr-Aug.

It would look likely you would export a fair amount in the peak months and generate little in the winter.

Its a hard call but it would seem its a little light on generation compared to your usage and would benefit from more generation and larger batteries. IMO.
Did you give any guidance on system expectations or did they just decide on that themselves?

Only guidance I gave was that I was after a solar system with battery that would allow me to store generated electricity that I don't use or to pull electricity from the grid during off peak times that charge it up and draw down during the day.
 
You'd probably need a 6-8kwp system to reasonably generate about as much as you can use in a year to replace it, not all at the time of day or year you want, but with your stats I'd definitely go bigger if you can.

The quoted 3.6kw system they've given you would likely cover most households, but if they didn't ask how much you use on average then it's a mistake to try and size you a system unless that is the best your roof can do.
 
Only guidance I gave was that I was after a solar system with battery that would allow me to store generated electricity that I don't use or to pull electricity from the grid during off peak times that charge it up and draw down during the day.

Ok, thats actually quite difficult in the UK. Its a balance for sure.

The only real option to not draw at peak time is a lot more battery storage.
If your 1/3 is excluded then your usage is 12.5 a day roughly.
So your going to need to be close to that in battery storage to be close to zero from the grid in peak Nov-Feb (ish)
You would charge them over night and use during the day.
The BIG risk in this approach is it relies on cheap over night charging being available.

Its also means your battery will contribute less to payback in the summer months as its simply over sized.

You should as I think most will say aim for the largest array you can get, within reason, and then find a sensible balance on battery.
Somewhere around 2/3 of your daily usage outside the cheap Eco 7 period might be a good opening point.

Also bear in mind the batteries will slowly loose capacity over time, as will the solar generation.
 
Guys, this is all excellent feedback and advice.

I did provide them with basically a month by month breakdown of our electricity usage, showing day/night usage over the last 12 months.

I provided this information to 3 local installers in total and the posted quote and system is from the first supplier to get back to me, so I'll see what the other two come back with.
 
Afternoon All,
Been lurking for a bit so thanks for all the info :D I've been in 2 minds for a while but finally decided to bite the bullet, EST Scotland funding, payback should be roughly what I save so it's a no brainer I think... Only one installer kept replying to me after it went mad, a 4th can't even survey for another month.

5Kw system, 340W JA solar panels (bigger panels are well, bigger and the £/w and £/m2 don't seem to vary much?), 3.6Kw Solis hybrid inverter, 9.5Kw GivEnergy battery. Just over £11K 3-4 month lead time.

Now, of the quotes I got a folk I spoke to, they all want to install inside even though the kit's IP65 rated. Why's that?

Anyone running Solis inverters and GiveEnergy batteries? GiveEnergy isn't listed on the Solis compatible battery list but I guess they work.

I've seen a couple of quotes on here that are quite obviously the same cut and paste quote I got down to the £700 if you want island mode, £300 for the Solic 200 HW module and they've over 1000 installs on the Solar finder/ review website Energy Saving trust send you to so they're churning them out.

I do feel 5 is a little low, looking at the JRC website for where I up in sunny Scotland and my SE facing roof, 7Kw will get me >300Kw / month for an extra couple of months a year and I'm generally using ~10Kw/day in summer 12-15 winter (I'm trying to cut back)

Might try for 7-8 and a bigger inverter / extra battery in 5 years :)

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That's what I meant to ask! G98, with a 3.6Kw Inverter, what can I put on the roof KW wise? Does the inverter limit the export to the grid and we bin everything we can't use + the battery can't take or something else, I would have thought you'd need to limit the PV to 3.6 as I was told I couldn't have 8 with a G99 but 5 seems to be fine.
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Just need to wait now...
 
Afternoon All,
Been lurking for a bit so thanks for all the info :D I've been in 2 minds for a while but finally decided to bite the bullet, EST Scotland funding, payback should be roughly what I save so it's a no brainer I think... Only one installer kept replying to me after it went mad, a 4th can't even survey for another month.

5Kw system, 340W JA solar panels (bigger panels are well, bigger and the £/w and £/m2 don't seem to vary much?), 3.6Kw Solis hybrid inverter, 9.5Kw GivEnergy battery. Just over £11K 3-4 month lead time.

Now, of the quotes I got a folk I spoke to, they all want to install inside even though the kit's IP65 rated. Why's that?

Anyone running Solis inverters and GiveEnergy batteries? GiveEnergy isn't listed on the Solis compatible battery list but I guess they work.

I've seen a couple of quotes on here that are quite obviously the same cut and paste quote I got down to the £700 if you want island mode, £300 for the Solic 200 HW module and they've over 1000 installs on the Solar finder/ review website Energy Saving trust send you to so they're churning them out.

I do feel 5 is a little low, looking at the JRC website for where I up in sunny Scotland and my SE facing roof, 7Kw will get me >300Kw / month for an extra couple of months a year and I'm generally using ~10Kw/day in summer 12-15 winter (I'm trying to cut back)

Might try for 7-8 and a bigger inverter / extra battery in 5 years :)

Just need to wait now...
I live in Fife and have a SW facing roof. I have 12 x JA 380w panels which is around a 4.5kW system. I have a Solis 3.68kW inverter. I had my system fitted on the 20th September 2021 so I'm just short of a year and have generated 3,342kW since having them fitted. In fact it's probably more than that as they never fitted the wifi dongle to the inverter, so I bought and fitted one myself a week or so later. I kinda regret not getting a battery at the time but the 0% VAT incentive wasn't there when I got my panels fitted and at that time, I wasn't sure the expense of a battery was justified.

Needless to say, I'm now looking at battery storage and have a couple of quotes for the 9.5kW GivEnergy battery and an AC coupled GivEnergy inverter. I'd unfortunately have to pay the full 20% VAT but even so, my quote for the battery in addition to my install cost for my solar last year is still around what you've been quoted above.

If you can, go to for the largest solar array you can afford. You can always swap out the inverter later (if DNO approved), but it'd be more expensive to get someone out to swap panels and fit them.
 
So I have done a bit of revised theorycrafting. Based on latest "capped" elec pricing.

Base stats, 5.46kw of panels, 5kw inverter, 11.8 but 10.5 useable battery. Annual usage for this 7450 units. (This isn't fixed as I haven't got a full years smart meter data, plus I have dipped in and out of Eth mining and Chia mining so cant use historical data)
And lastly its based on Go tariff vs normal 34p units, and a UK generation model of 3750 generation scaled up to 3900. My cautious installer has indicated 3950 units for my system.
I refreshed it all as I was trying to decide if I should add another battery to my system for approx £2k VAT free. (As it was calcs came out no)

So based on my usage 7450 units at 34p = £2,532. Cost with no solar installed.

The modelling of cost on go tariff assumes 2kwh used directly during 0:30-4:30 and that when the average generation per day will not generate enough charge I will get the diff at 7.5p. IE assuming no failure to harvest or charge enough at 7.5. That of course will be likely imperfect in the real world, but I would aim to overcharge at 7.5p rather than risk buying at 40p.
Net effect is that direct use and battery charging I would expect to consume/store 3010 units per year. And only 539 full price units. The difference being 3900 units generated.
Net cost for those purchased units £442

So saving from Solar is £2,532-£442 = £2,090. System cost was £13,000 so return of 6.25 years.

Of course assuming no significant changes which would work against this, reduced normal unit cost, failure to maintain go pricing, or notable system degradation.

The thing I havent modelled. Included in my cost is an energy diverter. My latest calcs show on average (Warning!) that only a handful of units would be exported a year and as such its basically £300 for nothing.
It does however allow me as I am on Go, to use 7.5p units to heat my hot water during the off peak window, saving gas at the new 10.4p rate. Again saving around 3p per kw.
My water seems to use around 6-8, so lets say 6kw a day. 6x365x0.03 = £60 a year. I could have achieved cheaper with just a better controller for the immersion but I signed up for it and its included in my £13k.

I have ignored AC-DC-AC battery impact as its going to be around £10 a year.
 
Are you assuming you'll use every single generated unit? This is where you'll realise that in summer months (June to August) you'll be exporting anything up to 50% depending on your usage and obviously in winter you'll be consuming every last drop, but you've obviously factored in hte full price units for when your battery runs out, sensible flexing of your habits to the overnight time (dishwasher, eddi, tumbledryer, washing machine) will certainly help.
 
Hi! I have also been lurking ;) This is a great thread!

We have agreed to £14K for the following...

Quote:
16 x Perlight Delta 400W Total Black Mono solar panel
1 x G2 GivEnergy 5kW Hybrid inverter
2 x G2 GivEnergy 5.2kWh LiFePO4 Battery
Full installation & Mounting Kits
Installation, Commissioning & Handover
G98 or G99 Application to DNO
MCS Certification
Project Management
*Scaffolding Included*
No bird protection because "the panels are closer to the roof"

Positives:
GivEnergy is compatible with the Agile Octopus tarriff that keeps us off the grid during peak times
Islanding
My neighbours used these guys and are happy, fwiw.

Complications:
Our fixed rate ends in January and no other responders are available before then.
Others were quoting £18-20K+ (albeit for totally different solutions, including waiting a year for Tesla).
We have an ASHP for water and heating. We only got it in March, so we don't know how greedy it actually is over winter but it will be a whole lot.

Are there any alarm bells ringing in this scenario? Thanks!
Edit: corrected GivEnergy quantities, added that there is no bird protection
 
Why 2 inverters and 1 battery here?

What is your yearly usage like?

You could go onto Octopus Go instead for cheaper overnight rates, and also potentially use the cheaper electric to power heat pump for a bit for less. Can't get onto Agile outgoing with it though.

Battery capacity seems a little low for that system, unless you have a high constant draw, a 6kw system will be filling that in no time in summer. Did you mean 2 batteries and 1 inverter?
 
Are you assuming you'll use every single generated unit? This is where you'll realise that in summer months (June to August) you'll be exporting anything up to 50% depending on your usage and obviously in winter you'll be consuming every last drop, but you've obviously factored in hte full price units for when your battery runs out, sensible flexing of your habits to the overnight time (dishwasher, eddi, tumbledryer, washing machine) will certainly help.

Yes I am as its a basic model.
I flexed my usage up in winter a little (its pretty flat I think)
So June and July are supposed to be basically flat months.
June : 3900 units annual suggests 526 per month, or 17.5 average, which happens to be my estimate for daily usage in summer!
If the split of the 3900 is vastly out (likely), or the usage is vastly out (unlikely) then it may vary, and of course the big one is say I have 2-3 high generation days, I would be full battery basically most of the time. If thats followed by some low days then do I need to charge some.

So yeah its very much theory and I will be able to start refining as time goes by.
My generation will hopefully be a bit higher, but who knows!

As said I also have the diverter, so in theory probably 6kw or so can go there before export happens. Really what I dont want to see is very very peaky days and very very low days as thats dramatically going to increase the export potential and hence charge potential.

The more interesting months are the spring / autumn ones. They will be most difficult to take the best action as I see more variability in generation likely then from eg the numbers Hippo posts.

Sept for example. 3900 annual shows a month of 351kwh generation and my demand 525. So 175 short. On average needing to draw 5.8 units into the batteries to balance the 175 usage over the month.

No tweaking of usage included yet (ie when) that will come later :)
I am also going to rerun based on Go faster as I can move to that, just want to see the impact, but that makes it even easier to load shift, and some would naturally happen, especially at weekends.
Thats the next test to run.

I am sure real world vs theoryworld will be less efficient, but current pricing impact of ROI on likeforlike was what I was after, and seeing that at 6.25 was pretty good.
Bar terrible real world generation or messing up when to charge etc, its likely I can take 2 X £2k chunks out of that cost with the expected price cap this and next winter. :)
In investment terms it always helps to have heavy return at the beginning when its likely more predictable than having to rely on say elec pricing in 5 years time, I mean who knows right...
 
The last 2 days I have been exporting a lot to the grid, think I need to look at one of those hot water diverters or a second battery :)

Even the washing machine and dish washer on timer did not help once the battery was charged by lunch time!

The last 2 days have been 18kwh generation days, I guess in the summer this is only going to be worse? I do use all of the current battery by the early hours so I guess it would definitely be worth getting a second....

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The last 2 days I have been exporting a lot to the grid, think I need to look at one of those hot water diverters or a second battery :)

Even the washing machine and dish washer on timer did not help once the battery was charged by lunch time!

The last 2 days have been 18kwh generation days, I guess in the summer this is only going to be worse? I do use all of the current battery by the early hours so I guess it would definitely be worth getting a second....

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It really sort of depends, the 2nd battery won't have the same impact as the 1st does, as it's stretch capacity, and a lot of winter solar won't kick up anywhere near enough generation.

Today I had unbroken sunshine for 2-3 hours which really showed that the system can perform well under consistent load for the first time really.

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Yesterday was my best day yet at almost 18kwh, today was actually on track to defeat that until we had the slump after 14:30 as shown above.

12 days, 150.65 kwh generated, and only 7.81kwh of that sent to el grid. Pretty happy with those numbers, especially considering that September so far hasn't had many good days of weather, and a fair bit of rain.

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The last 2 days I have been exporting a lot to the grid, think I need to look at one of those hot water diverters or a second battery :)

Even the washing machine and dish washer on timer did not help once the battery was charged by lunch time!

The last 2 days have been 18kwh generation days, I guess in the summer this is only going to be worse? I do use all of the current battery by the early hours so I guess it would definitely be worth getting a second....

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Think of batteries like a buffer, if your usage is below your generation from say march to sept then your not going to gain much at all from more capacity, once its full its full.

You need to compare your likely generation to your usage (actual/estimate) each month to get a better idea how many months you would gain on the battery capacity.

I posted some abbreviated numbers above, but my battery at around 55-60% of my usage and using expected generation numbers puts my months that its fully utilised at 5.
5 are part utilised, ie my expected generation doesnt need a full battery charge each night, and 2 months they will be practically redundant in regards grid draw they are just buffering the PV generation to when I need to use it.

I was testing if I would gain from another battery, answer was no. Only 3 months would it be fully utilised and 3 would it be partly utilised. The rest of the time it would in effect being doing nothing. Bar maybe on a few occasions smoothing a peak/trough a bit by acting as a larger buffer.
The ROI for that additional battery went out to like 10 years which means pretty pointless at current costs since thats the warranty.
 
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