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Fit supplier and energy supplier can be different.
I’m with e.on for my fit and octopus for my energy supply.
Solar panels and battery - any real world reccomendations?
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Fit supplier and energy supplier can be different.
I’m with e.on for my fit and octopus for my energy supply.
I think the big difference is that this pays that high rate for export, whereas the normal savings sessions only payed you for what you saved and any export was at the normal rate, so unless you were messing about and gaming the system a bit then you wouldn’t get very much if your usage was normally low during the time perio, which it would be as you would normally be running from the battery at that point anyway.
Soldato
The FIT tariff contains two parts.
- FIT generation - you get paid a fixed rate for every unit you generate regardless of whether you use it or not.
- You get paid for what you export, for most residential system this will be based on 50% of what you generate, but you're not paid much per unit.
So you can move everything to Octopus, and they will pay your dad the generation FIT, or you can leave some of it with EON.
Moving it all to Octopus, won't jeopardise the FIT payments, you just need to decide how to handle the exports side, what's most beneficial.
Soldato
This year they signed up export meters for saving sessions so something will be different I think.
Ah right, that sounds interesting, so maybe Givback is just going to be the same as the normal saving sessions then if they are going to start including export, will hold off on signing up and see what Octopus saving sessions offer this year.
Same I think, but I'm on flux, not intelligent flux so I'm not sure how that affects things (if at all)
Is it worth moving to intelligent flux?
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Not in winter for me.
But you are on agile?
Man of Honour
how come? Just curious. It seems a lot cheaper on import so even on a ***** day you should end up with the equivalent of a lower bill?
The thing that makes me nervous is someone else controlling my charge/discharge times.
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Intelligent flux is equal rates with the lowest import is 27p I thought. Also as you say you lose control of the system.
Yeah.
Man of Honour
I'm not convinced yet. I'm sticking to regular flux at the moment
Yes, regular Flux seems good but don't particularly like the idea of losing control of the system on Intelligent Flux so that puts me off (it sounds very much like the old Tesla system), plus you don't get the cheap overnight rate, so regular Flux seems the best bet. I don't have an EV so that rules out a lot of tariffs. I have been keeping an eye on Agile prices, there have been some decent overnight import rates from time to time but export generally quite a way below Flux, might be a better bet over the winter but not really sure I want the hassle of swapping tariffs every 6 months, plus there's always the chance that Agile will shoot back up again, last year I seem to remember the import rates were pretty much at their peak price almost 24/7, though maybe last year was a bit of an anomaly.
In regards to the "Demand Flexibility Service" paying for export this year is there any concrete evidence of that? Searching around and can't find anything, which seems odd as we are already into the period when the scheme is running, though maybe we'll get more info when the first session actually occurs.
In regards to the "Demand Flexibility Service" paying for export this year is there any concrete evidence of that? Searching around and can't find anything, which seems odd as we are already into the period when the scheme is running, though maybe we'll get more info when the first session actually occurs.
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I moved to regular Flux about 3 weeks ago. Its going ok and monitoring our use carefully between peak 4-7pm. Not tried dumping excess during those hours to gain best price. Im trying to persuade my wife to change her car for an EV to benefit from cheaper and longer overnight tariff!
Have answered my own question about export, looking through the Octopus saving sessions FAQs here https://octopus.energy/blog/saving-sessions-faqs/#gettingstarted and I found this:
So seems it will take export into account this year, but only how much extra you export compared to usual, not everything you export. So may be worth stopping exporting during the likely saving session times, though I was likely going to be doing that anyway as the days get shorter and I have less excess energy to export.
So seems it will take export into account this year, but only how much extra you export compared to usual, not everything you export. So may be worth stopping exporting during the likely saving session times, though I was likely going to be doing that anyway as the days get shorter and I have less excess energy to export.
Man of Honour
How can you stop export? Use as much energy as possible? Or do you mean minimise export?
I was talking about not deliberately force exporting from the battery to the grid, which I currently do in the evening to get the benefit of the higher export rate for flux. This time of year export from solar is generally pretty much nothing by 4pm anyway which is about the earliest I'd expect a saving session to happen.
Soldato
Most of the savings sessions were focussed around the 6-7pm time
As such I would say by the time the sessions are running there will be very few people exporting excess solar!
As such I would say by the time the sessions are running there will be very few people exporting excess solar!
Man of Honour
Ah I don't force export, I'm not after making money, but reduce how much I spend.
Soldato
Same thing surely? Get paid for export = reduces how much you spend.
Not an argument I really get, should export when it makes sense to do so, it does also help the grid out as well, especially in winter when there is less spare solar about.
Man of Honour
Well the thing is during the peak time I'd prefer to use the batteries to run the house as it's typically when we cook dinner etc... so the money I make from export which is 28p during peak time but import is 39p, so I'd rather use my own electricity during that time that export it.