Solar panels and battery - any real world reccomendations?

Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Thats not really offsetting at a domestic scale.

Offsetting is doing something to actively absorb the carbon elsewhere to "offset" the carbon your releasing.
So as I said, growing trees to offset the carbon your releasing by burning it.

Its possible someone could do what you say but as we have been over thats incredible difficult to do in the uk due to the generation profile.
Going carbon neutral is very difficult without a very low usage lifestyle, or purchasing a very large array. I havent yet seen anyone who I have looked at (youtube etc) who is carbon neutral
They all seem to use more than they generate even people with large arrays.
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Again, theres always one……..also a carbon offset example, is building renewable energy, like solar and wind, whether on a small or large scale

as they say, every little helps
 
Welshman said:
Again, theres always one……..also a carbon offset example, is building renewable energy, like solar and wind, whether on a small or large scale

as they say, every little helps
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You just don't see to be real world in what your posting, you seem very much on the theoretical end of the scale. The only one seems to be a different person to the multiples you think are the issue ;)

Using renewables to offset is hard to do as you get closer to parity, its very very easy to do when your still at very high fossil dependency and it ignores timing.

The majority of off gridders (in fact all but of course I may miss some) that I have followed or watched supplement their renewable generation with fossil fuels, log burners, generators etc
There comes a point when renewable generation isnt a valid offset since its creating excess energy at the wrong time.
Right now renewables are offsetting as they in theory reduce fossil fuel demand, but thats not going to go on forever.
 
Yes there's always one isn't there @Welshman, argumentative to point of extreme ;)

There's a renewable power station near us (Kent renewable energy), it burns wood, thousands of tonnes of it, all brought in by road, from all over by all accounts. I bet they could generate more electric from all the diesel used by the trucks bringing the wood in, and of course harvesting the wood in the first place.
 
I would totally love them to hurry up and get V2H sorted for CCS based cars, then I can use my car battery as well as my home storage battery, and I'd be able to add more panels at a later date, would make relying on the grid for energy much smaller, but still couldn't go off grid in my size property/land. Have consider a small wind turbine, but I'm not sure it would work properly on my roof.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
You just don't see to be real world in what your posting, you seem very much on the theoretical end of the scale. The only one seems to be a different person to the multiples you think are the issue ;)

Using renewables to offset is hard to do as you get closer to parity, its very very easy to do when your still at very high fossil dependency and it ignores timing.

The majority of off gridders (in fact all but of course I may miss some) that I have followed or watched supplement their renewable generation with fossil fuels, log burners, generators etc
There comes a point when renewable generation isnt a valid offset since its creating excess energy at the wrong time.
Right now renewables are offsetting as they in theory reduce fossil fuel demand, but thats not going to go on forever.
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but its still classed as an offset, whether you like it or not……..the same as hollywood stars planting a tree to offset their flaming flying all over the world in private flaming jets. Its an offset, get over it
 
It seems Welshman is very argumentative, and his posts lack good reasoning or substantiated facts,, most miss the bigger picture, is there an ignore button?
 
Welshman said:
but its still classed as an offset, whether you like it or not……..the same as hollywood stars planting a tree to offset their flaming flying all over the world in private flaming jets. Its an offset, get over it
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If your offgrid you cannot offset carbon usage from fossils/wood with electric generation. Physically and logically impossible.

You can offset your own electricity usage and maybe switch some to being electric as opposed to fossil, but the moment you use some fossil fuels your not carbon neutral.
To balance the books and net you would need to be ON grid, so that your excess could be exported and used by someone else who would have had to use fossil fuels. There is the offset.
There is one edge case i can think of, which is kinda cool but unlikely to happen, in that you install an EV charging point and allow passing motorists to charge using your excess renewables. Its kind of stretching the truly being off grid though.

The plane flying and planting a few trees is technically correct but it requires a few other things. You can't use the wood for starters or is just released back and negated your offset. Plus it ignores the fact that timing is also an issue, they go on the over a typical lifetime of a tree it will absorb x tonnes of carbon which is true, but thats not helping much for the forseable future. Basically its a con, but technically true.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
If your offgrid you cannot offset carbon usage from fossils/wood with electric generation. Physically and logically impossible.

You can offset your own electricity usage and maybe switch some to being electric as opposed to fossil, but the moment you use some fossil fuels your not carbon neutral.
To balance the books and net you would need to be ON grid, so that your excess could be exported and used by someone else who would have had to use fossil fuels. There is the offset.
There is one edge case i can think of, which is kinda cool but unlikely to happen, in that you install an EV charging point and allow passing motorists to charge using your excess renewables. Its kind of stretching the truly being off grid though.

The plane flying and planting a few trees is technically correct but it requires a few other things. You can't use the wood for starters or is just released back and negated your offset. Plus it ignores the fact that timing is also an issue, they go on the over a typical lifetime of a tree it will absorb x tonnes of carbon which is true, but thats not helping much for the forseable future. Basically its a con, but technically true.
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Your contradicting your own argument……….
 
Welshman said:
Your contradicting your own argument……….
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I am not try reading it again, pay particular attention to the order of the words and what they say

I can't really be bothered to post it in any more detail its seemingly a bit complicated for someone with no idea that 12kwh of solar panels dont produce them all the time lolz
 
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Geeees can you all please stop filling a really useful thread with petty arguments.

My install (full spec in my last post) went in a week ago and the results have been great so far. Produced 22kwh yesterday, daily draw from the grid has dropped from ~13kwh a day to 0-1kwh per day depending on how cloudy is has been.

I’m planning to add another battery to take me from 7 to 10kwh to get me through cloudier days.
 
It was more than that, since when you posted your 5x12 = 60 KWH OMG How MuCh eltrizities 111 !!1 maths we talked about how going off grid in the UK is nigh on impossible without reverting to using fossils

You were very insistent with your detailed knowledge that just installing 12kwh and some batteries meant you could go off grid. Now if you dont think thats the case you could revise that and it wouldnt lead to the long raft of posts that people have made discrediting your view

So again, its pretty much impossible for anyone in the UK to go off grid without a frankly massive solar array, wind farm due to the fact that Nov-Feb can have really low generation and its highly unreliable at that time of year.

As stated if you look at many people who go or try to go off grid they do install solar/wind but they still end up generally using fossil to either fill in the dips, or permanently for eg heating.

I changed my name to this as its tends to trigger a certain demographic. Working as intended.
 
SBo said:
Geeees can you all please stop filling a really useful thread with petty arguments.

My install (full spec in my last post) went in a week ago and the results have been great so far. Produced 22kwh yesterday, daily draw from the grid has dropped from ~13kwh a day to 0-1kwh per day depending on how cloudy is has been.

I’m planning to add another battery to take me from 7 to 10kwh to get me through cloudier days.
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Nice result, hoping for something similar here when mine goes live.

They've initially scheduled mine with the old 8.2KWH battery but I'm going to shoot for the newer 9.5 one to give it a little more flexibility and future proofing.

My install is about 6 weeks away though due to DNO things.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
It was more than that, since when you posted your 5x12 = 60 KWH OMG How MuCh eltrizities 111 !!1 maths we talked about how going off grid in the UK is nigh on impossible without reverting to using fossils

You were very insistent with your detailed knowledge that just installing 12kwh and some batteries meant you could go off grid. Now if you dont think thats the case you could revise that and it wouldnt lead to the long raft of posts that people have made discrediting your view

So again, its pretty much impossible for anyone in the UK to go off grid without a frankly massive solar array, wind farm due to the fact that Nov-Feb can have really low generation and its highly unreliable at that time of year.

As stated if you look at many people who go or try to go off grid they do install solar/wind but they still end up generally using fossil to either fill in the dips, or permanently for eg heating.

I changed my name to this as its tends to trigger a certain demographic. Working as intended.
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I never said installing 12kwh could make you fully offgrid, again stop twisting peoples posts to suite your own rhetoric
 
SBo said:
Geeees can you all please stop filling a really useful thread with petty arguments.

My install (full spec in my last post) went in a week ago and the results have been great so far. Produced 22kwh yesterday, daily draw from the grid has dropped from ~13kwh a day to 0-1kwh per day depending on how cloudy is has been.

I’m planning to add another battery to take me from 7 to 10kwh to get me through cloudier days.
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Can't find your previous post in between all the arguments. Sounds like a decent amount of power though, I'm getting about 13kw a day on 10x 390w panels - although it's not been particularly sunny.
 
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