Something super is coming...

[bigmike20vt]

Well a refresh used to mean a good boost 8% is the worst yet you think people want to wait a year for 8% at the same RRP? Madness! Or two years for 38% no way the 2080 launched in August 2018 for 8%? Get out of town lol you would be a fool not to be as mad as hornets.


I think it will be more than 8% though, It is a yearly refresh after all at the same price.

Since when did a refresh give more than that? Happy to be corrected but I can't think of an example to be honest. I fully agree the prices of the entire RTX is nuts but this refresh is better than nothing.... And nothing is what we normally get (or as near as damn it anyway) this isn't a new GPU line it it just a tweak hence the naming has not been changed. I was not expecting anything until the 3000 series (or what ever they call it)

If anything this bring the 2000series improvement more inline with what I would have expected when compared to the 1000 12 months ago. For me it is the rtx2080 , 2070 & 2060 that was the disappointment rather than the RTX super

And @naf8000 really what was the point of your post? Summat to say?, Then say it.

 

[Poneros]

I don't get it to be honest. (The hate that is).
Am I right in saying that RRP is the same as the 2080? And that there is no binning of the chips?

I think it's less hate and more bafflement. What changed now is that you also have the lesser bin version of the 2080 available for £200 less (aka 2070S). It's hard to imagine the performance disparity will grow beyond 15% at best, which makes the 2080S a very tough sell.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I think it's less hate and more bafflement. What changed now is that you also have the lesser bin version of the 2080 available for £200 less (aka 2070S). It's hard to imagine the performance disparity will grow beyond 15% at best, which makes the 2080S a very tough sell.

I get your point I really do but then isn't that the same regards to price and performance when comparing ,1070 and 1080 or Vega 56 and Vega 64

 

[Poneros]

I get your point I really do but then isn't that the same regards to price and performance when comparing ,1070 and 1080 or Vega 56 and Vega 64

Sure, but I think the difference is the price disparity is twice larger now. And I say that as someone who went for a similarly "strange" choice of V64 over V56 for ~£80 more, so I'm definitely sympathetic to the argument.

 

[Naff8000]

And @naf8000 really what was the point of your post? Summat to say?, Then say it.

lol sorry twas a little bit cheeky. I have nothing to say, hence my post. If you can't understand how disappointing the current situation is with upper level performance/price ratios plus generational % improvements then I don't know what to say to you.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I don't disagree with any of that BUT I don't see the 2080 super as a generational improvement.
Just a different perspective I guess.

Still need to see what the after market ones actually go for once supply settles down of course.

 

[Zernath]

If you can't understand how disappointing the current situation is with upper level performance/price ratios plus generational % improvements then I don't know what to say to you.

If consumers keep handing over their money, then this is the way it's going to be permanently. Companies won't push the envelope unless they absolutely have to, and currently they don't have to, so it is what it is.

Prices always go up, and they very rarely come back down again. Miners have a lot to answer for in my opinion!

 

[gpuerrilla]

Miners have a lot to answer for in my opinion!

Damn them Miners!!

 

[AthlonXP1800]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Benchmark Leaks Out, Almost Titan V Tier Performance For $699 US

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-gpu-performance-benchmark-leak/



http://benchmark.finalfantasyxv.com/result/

Hmmm RTX 2080 SUPER almost as fast as Titan V, look like RTX 2080 SUPER OC will be able to reach RTX 2080 Ti performance level.

Reviews ill be very interesting to read.

 

[Kaapstad]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Benchmark Leaks Out, Almost Titan V Tier Performance For $699 US

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-super-gpu-performance-benchmark-leak/



http://benchmark.finalfantasyxv.com/result/

Hmmm RTX 2080 SUPER almost as fast as Titan V, look like RTX 2080 SUPER OC will be able to reach RTX 2080 Ti performance level.

Reviews ill be very interesting to read.

You must be joking lol.






1 GPU 2160p

1. Score 6675, GPU TitanV @2032/1039, CPU 6950X @4.4, Kaapstad Link 398.36 Drivers
2. Score 6435, GPU 2080 Ti @1950/3750, CPU 8086k @5.2, spikerules Link 416.94 Drivers
3. Score 6387, GPU 2080 Ti @1920/3500, CPU 6700k @4.6, seanyc5 Link 416.94 Drivers
4. Score 6300, GPU TitanV @2055/1000, CPU 7980XE @4.8, Kaapstad Link 388.59 Drivers
5. Score 5890, GPU 2080 Ti @1735/4500, CPU X5650 @4.0, Strife212 Link 416.16 Drivers
6. Score 5403, GPU TitanXP @1950/3150, CPU 4790k @4.8, Tommy_Here Link 411.70 Drivers
7. Score 5341, GPU TitanXP @2063/3150, CPU 6950X @4.4, Kaapstad Link 390.77 Drivers
8. Score 5174, GPU 1080 Ti @2025/2980, CPU 2700X @4.2, kitfit1 Link 398.11 Drivers
9. Score 5166, GPU TitanP @2000/2750, CPU 4770k @4.7, TNA Link 399.07 Drivers
10. Score 5101, GPU 1080 Ti @2025/2950, CPU 8086k @5.0, iakhtar Link 398.36 Drivers
11. Score 4973, GPU 1080 Ti @2050/3032, CPU 7820X @4.8, uksoldierboy Link 390.77 Drivers
12. Score 4850, GPU TitanP @2088/2772, CPU 6950X @4.4, Kaapstad Link 388.13 Drivers
13. Score 4815, GPU 1080 Ti @1988/2700, CPU 4670k @4.3, iakhtar Link 390.65 Drivers
14. Score 4782, GPU 1080 Ti @1962/2752, CPU 4790k @4.7, Tommy_Here Link 390.77 Drivers
15. Score 4751, GPU 1080 Ti @1900/2754, CPU 3770k @4.5, peterhc Link 390.65 Drivers
16. Score 3728, GPU 1080 @2075/2700, CPU 8700k @5.0, hyperseven Link 390.77 Drivers
17. Score 3655, GPU 1080 @2050/2754, CPU 6950X @4.4, Kaapstad Link 390.77 Drivers
18. Score 3624, GPU Vega64 @1752/1100, CPU 1950X @4.0, AMDMatt Link 18.2.1 Drivers
19. Score 3507, GPU 1080 @1860/2502, CPU 1800X @3.6, Naveed Link 390.77 Drivers
20. Score 3186, GPU 1080 @1860/2502, CPU 3770 @3.7, CAT-THE-FIFTH Link 390.65 Drivers
21. Score 2836, GPU 980 Ti @1316/1752, CPU 5820k @4.0, Squid Vicious Link 388.31 Drivers
22. Score 1938, GPU 980 Ti @1250/1700, CPU 8700k @4.3, Clov!s Link 390.77 Drivers
23. Score 1615, GPU 290P @1100/1400, CPU 4790k @4.8, MadMatty Link 18.2.1 Drivers

2 GPU 2160p

1. Score 9486, GPU 2080 Ti @1810/3500, CPU 8700k @4.7, Raiden85 Link 416.94 Drivers

 

[Kaapstad]

Here is one of my RTX Titan running stock using the same settings as in my post above.



I think the old Titan V does ok even using very old drivers.

 

[Rroff]

It is not even full RT, Nvidia just wanted to be first to the table with something to make thier brand special. Wake me up when its full RT and my fps is above 7.

Meanwhile over at 4k HQ...

At lower resolutions - 960x540 Pascal (1070) can manage ~30 FPS with all lighting done via path tracing in Quake 2 in a scene with atleast this level of complexity:



Having problem capturing video as for some reason it mostly comes out black but the lighting in the scene is largely dynamic with a fan above rotating shadows throughout the scene the reflections are accurate and not just screenspace, the damp bit on the floor also has caustics albeit approximated but close enough you won't tell the difference in a game, etc. and a mid-range Turing card can run this at several times the framerate and even do 1440p at high quality with playable FPS.

It might not be full RT but it is very impressive when you understand what is going on.

 

[willhub]

Keep thinking about getting a 2070 Super to replace my 1080Ti. Tough call

 

[opethdisciple]

Keep thinking about getting a 2070 Super to replace my 1080Ti. Tough call

I don't think that's worthwhile at all. The 2070 super is essentially a 1080ti with RT cores. But is it powerful enough to do RT?

That the issue presently. I want an upgrade from my 1080 but I am not convinced any card this gen can actually do the RT they are advertised to support. This is why ideally I am waiting for the 3000 series.

 

[Rofflay]

At lower resolutions - 960x540 Pascal (1070) can manage ~30 FPS with all lighting done via path tracing in Quake 2 in a scene with atleast this level of complexity:



Having problem capturing video as for some reason it mostly comes out black but the lighting in the scene is largely dynamic with a fan above rotating shadows throughout the scene the reflections are accurate and not just screenspace, the damp bit on the floor also has caustics albeit approximated but close enough you won't tell the difference in a game, etc. and a mid-range Turing card can run this at several times the framerate and even do 1440p at high quality with playable FPS.

It might not be full RT but it is very impressive when you understand what is going on.

True but look at the textures it is 5yrs away for my use i want 4k and i want framerates above 60fps in the spirit of pc that is HFR 4k HDR that is where we were going. Until this turned up it is totally unusable and impractical to use in games unless you use little sporadic Raytracing effects. But you are not getting decent fps at all in any decent resolution i am sorry i utterly despise the way they implemented this. They basically shoehorned in something that is not ready would it not be best to wait until you can implement full Raytracing or Pathtracing? But after you get bored at 4k HDR? At the minute this basically threw us all back to when 1080p first came along and we all struggled at 1080p.

 

[Kelt]

Keep thinking about getting a 2070 Super to replace my 1080Ti. Tough call

No way would I side grade from a 1080Ti to a 2070S.

I'd be waiting to see what 2020 brings.

 

[Shaz12]

No surprise. Wrote that last week when specs came out. Nvidia site has the card 5% faster, and even Gibbo said that fully overclocked, would be close to 10% faster.
The gap to 2080Ti is still vast.

Yet I got pelted with tomatoes when made my post last week, even if the Nvidia numbers were out, by those believing that the 2080S would deliver 2080Ti performance.

Can you provide the link where NVIDIA say its 5% faster? I can't find it anywhere

 

[Rroff]

True but look at the textures it is 5yrs away for my use i want 4k and i want framerates above 60fps in the spirit of pc that is HFR 4k HDR that is where we were going. Until this turned up it is totally unusable and impractical to use in games unless you use little sporadic Raytracing effects. But you are not getting decent fps at all in any decent resolution i am sorry i utterly despise the way they implemented this. They basically shoehorned in something that is not ready would it not be best to wait until you can implement full Raytracing or Pathtracing? But after you get bored at 4k HDR? At the minute this basically threw us all back to when 1080p first came along and we all struggled at 1080p.

The textures are OK (mostly) in the RTX version of the game - I just showed a more realistic case scenario for any kind of framerate with Pascal cards.

This is pretty much a 2 minute job so rough and ready but even Quake 2 can do this:



The framerate would be around 40FPS at 1440p on a 2080. So I have high hopes for when developers start to get to grips with it.

 

[Panos]

Can you provide the link where NVIDIA say its 5% faster? I can't find it anywhere

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080-super/

Go down to the specs and click the link, then look at the numbers and compare them with these.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080/

It is ~5%-8% faster than the FE "A" chip. (look also at RTX Ops are these are directly related).

Even Gibbo said that both 2080 & 2080S heavily overclocked, the difference will be 10% at best.
The 2080S VRAM also is overclocked to it's limits out of the box.

 

[Fatso666]

I like how one website described the 2080 super's performance as "monster performance" whilst another website described it as "modest performance gains"

Keep thinking about getting a 2070 Super to replace my 1080Ti. Tough call

Isn't the 2070 super a marginally improvement over 1080ti performance? I wouldn't say it's worth the upgrade