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Something went wrong, ordered a Mustang, yet ended up in a British hotrod, I blame OcUK!

Discussion in 'Motors' started by Gibbo, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. Blackhawk47

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    Yes agree, as a passenger in my friends one I noticed that instantly. It’s like there is a connection between the cabin and the engine bay. The sound really travels through where as the huracan was loud but a different kind of loud. Most of the noise coming from the exhaust, which obviously can heard more with the windows down.

    That 458 in black with the yellow details looks really good imo.

    Huracan would be quicker point to point no doubt, more so from a stand still, but the driving experience in the 458 drive would feel more rewarding I’d guess.
     
  2. Gibbo

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    They are both ace and that is why it’s such a hard choice!

    Lambo for looks and outright performance!
    Ferrari more about the drive for sure.

    Neither are exactly slow as I think official times are 10.4s 0-124mph for 458 and 9.9s for the Huracan and of course both have been clocked as much as a second faster than official stats.

    I think my SVR officially is 11.4s but again it’s a bit quicker for sure, though off the line the SVR takes them all down it’s brutal 0-30mph!

    Both Lambo and 458 felt light I think officially with fuel a 458 is under 1500kg if it has buckets and forged wheels and the 610-4 is around 1550kg so they are quite light certainly compared to Jaaag and could really feel it in test drives.

    It’s such a shame SVR never did a lightweight edition coupe SVR as suspect it would be rather formidable if it weighed less but as a road car it’s fabulous.

    458 just felt precise and proper kit it felt so raw too but in wet mode and in auto it felt so comfy and well normal car and even in black everyone was staring, Ferrari life!
     
  3. HoneyBadger

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    [QUOTE="Gibbo”]
    It’s such a shame SVR never did a lightweight edition coupe SVR as suspect it would be rather formidable
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    Project 7?
    I’ve always wanted a 911, however in a few years I will get a Jag SVR. Just love the look!
     
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  4. daz

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    I think you are seeing the 'limitations' of the standard Huracan, as in the criticisms levelled against it at the time versus it's competitors. It just doesn't have the same level of feel and emotion as the Ferrari or even the McLaren, despite being an incredibly rapid car. It's why I've heard many people say the Performante is the car the Huracan should have been from the start. All of the cars on your shortlist are cracking cars, so really it just comes down to subjective factors and how the car makes you feel (plus the small matter of the financials!). I've said before but make sure you drive a McLaren before you discount them purely on the depreciation aspect.
     
  5. Mal X

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    the green ferrari looks excellent and similar in a way to the Maclaren, the Lambo looks more brutish, i'd go for the Lambo Gibbo i think it's more you and then the Performante later on, because it'll be easier to buy if you go back to the same dealership again, you only need to keep the 1st Lambo for a year and i expect knowing you that you'll be bored of it in a year anyway
     
  6. Gibbo

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    Agreed, think I shall focus on finding the right 458, I do really like the black car but maybe it would be an error and soon regretted and be wishing I got a red or yellow one. Though I think buckets and forged steering wheel are a must.
    I certainly do need to re-visit both for a longer period and Ideally I need to keep the budget to 140k for either a Huracan or 458, simply because if I drop 160k, then maybe be stupid if I can get into a Performante for 190k, might as well go the whole hog and all that.
     
  7. Scania

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    I know I said Black ruins it’s lines (which I still think in some light conditions and certainly when it’s dirty) it does, it still looks epic and very menacing, my bosses is identical appearance wise to the one you saw, afaik it’s on 29k miles now and I don’t think he’s had any issues with it. (2011 model)

    It will be interesting to read your views after a 24hour test, as an aside my boss daily’s his 458 (hence the miles) albeit shared with a Range Rover for towing his race mini.
     
  8. Acme

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    I think the 458 looks great in black. I know people say it hides the lines etc, but if the paintwork is looked after properly and it has a proper shine to it, if anything I think it accentuates the lines more than a flat red for example. Looks very purposeful, not shouty. Understated almost (as much as a Ferarri can be)

    Looks like it rides quite high for a supercar though, or is it in "speedbump mode"?
     
  9. Vita

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    Both look good. Thanks for showing the numbers document, it’s interesting to know finance side of things.

    Still, red with creme would be my call but it’s the go to choice usually. Yellow would be nice.
     
  10. Rossi~

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    Love the black though would prefer it with a tan interior.
     
  11. Gibbo

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    Ferrari's have more clearance than Lamborghini where front list is an absolute must. On the Ferrari it is not essential, this car did not have it which if I went for this particular car I'd be a little worried over, hence best to hire one first and test it on my drive and speed bumps into work without lift as that could be a deal killer.

    They are pretty much spot on height wise, with the Pirelli tyres there is a touch more arch gap for my liking but once fitted with Michelins as per the black one has arch gap is no longer a worry as Michelin tyres are a little more chunky, or certainly in appearance.

    I need to see the colours in the flesh, I'd dismissed white or black, now I've seen them both were pretty wow factor but maybe the design and curves of the 458 mean it can look good in any colour, though colours like green, orange, purple I feel would not suite this car at all, whereas a Lambo looks epic in any colour.
     
  12. NathWraith

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    458 does look good.

    Seems like a safer bet £££ wise.
     
  13. shadow_boxer

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    458 looks absolutely epic. Must admit the black wouldn't be one of my preferred colours but that close up shot really shows the paintwork quality, however. The green is a bit marmite in my opinion. I'm sure it'd look good on a lambo but it doesn't suit the ferrari. Red and cream interior would be a safe bet or yellow with dark interior too. Thanks for posting the finance sheet as well, from the looks of it is that basically interest only for 30 months then balloon the outstanding, surprised main dealer financing would offer that, I thought it'd be specialist brokers only? I think you'd probably be in region of a15k loss on the 458 after 2.5 years esp as it won't be a garage queen which isn't too bad I don't think. A 570 or even a 720s I can see losing much more. Each to their own but to be a fezza owner has got be a massive tick on the bucket list.
     
  14. Gibbo

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    They just rang me, very keen.
    Yes I did not even ask for interest only finance, that was how they quoted, my mate can do the same at 4.4%, which is £6700 total interest over 30 months so around £230 a month and no penalty for over payments which Ferrari said was fine but they charge at base rate interest.

    Anyway they just offered me 60k trade in on mine, up from 57k on Saturday and there car at 137k, but they will let me keep my car until end of February so if I got more for it, then that is in my pocket. That is the best trade in offer yet only Jaguar offered better (67k) but was against a newer SVR.

    I am not biting, I want to see 458's in the flesh in other colours first and I reckon they have 20k profit in the car, so I think they can certainly do 135k, maybe lower at a push and they are coming back to me with a price to retrofit the carbon paddles and carbon dash as those were options I really like and would want to complete the car.

    They also did say if any issues regarding dampers (none warranty) early on they would push for a goodwill jesture from Ferrari for replacement at no charge.
     
  15. Acme

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    Not worth trying to sell private? Must be worth 75K?
     
  16. Gibbo

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    The market is very slow, I've been watching a lot of cars, F-Types SVR's, 570S, Huracan's and 458's, nothing is selling apart from a couple of 458's which went, a particular nice one in a dark silver I liked, but it went.
    If I was happy to wait months I suspect I could get around 70k for it.

    Ferrari guaranteed 60k, but I can keep it until end of Feb, so maybe advertise down to 65k and undercut market, see if anyone takes it, otherwise let Ferrari have it, the part-ex also maybe gives me some more negotiation ability on their car because at 60k they will sell it on to another dealer with some profit and of course I can even offer it myself to some specialist at around 63-66k to make a few extra over trade-in offer.

    I am working on the black car, but also going to view a yellow one too, to see what I think of colour in the flesh.
     
  17. wedrum

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    I hear what your saying about the 458 but the lambo just looks amazing and blistering performance to boot. The McLaren look much better too. It's a tough predicament to be in for sure :)
     
  18. Backslick

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    Ah, I see you've discovered that a 458 is a much better bet than a Huracan for anything other than driving down Sloane St at 5mph.

    Enjoy the one you (will) eventually buy.
     
  19. Gibbo

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    I've always purchased a car for how it drives and makes me feel:

    Huracan: Giggle and grin machine, menacing looks, insane performance. Downsides never felt challenging, too easy to go very fast and essentially no warranty unless paying warranty wise £3500 per year for a max 10k pay out, which is a bit pointless on such a car. Residuals not so bad but values are dropping!
    458: Also a giggler, due to insane cabin noise, not so insane looks but very classy looks. Felt engaging and challenging at legal speeds, also quick, but not as quick. 2yr warranty included, £2500 per year to extend with Ferrari, cheaper servicing and better residuals.
    570S: Still not driven, but even if it drives the best the residuals are nothing short of a disaster and I'd bet on 20k per year loss in retail, a trade in price would be nothing short of shocking, 60-80k in 2yr on a 140k car. But newest car, new car warranty, sounds not as good, but is lightest at 1440kg for coupe and 1480kg for Spyder.

    Dismissing the 570S, I simply found the 458 better to drive and the cabin also had a lot more room, yes the lack of AWD will mean less performance in colder months, but at same time it also had huge grip and the balance just felt better.
     
  20. wedrum

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    I've always recommended the 458 even though only been a passenger in one ( I know ). never driven the hurracan but have the r8 v10. The 458 makes sense on all the above as you have pointed out. But like you say you need to be sure before you drop all that ££££ it's going to be a tough one.. either way they are all amazing.

    Be interesting to see where you go from here in a year or 2.