Hold on a second...arent you the guy who said a few mths ago that Wenger needs to be sacked from Arsenal??
Funny how you say now that if he was in charge of RM, he would have won the game lol.
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Hold on a second...arent you the guy who said a few mths ago that Wenger needs to be sacked from Arsenal??
Funny how you say now that if he was in charge of RM, he would have won the game lol.
Hold on a second...arent you the guy who said a few mths ago that Wenger needs to be sacked from Arsenal??
Funny how you say now that if he was in charge of RM, he would have won the game lol.
Yeah, I brought this one up with him in the Greenlizard0 thread.
Cesc was meant to start on the wing and when I see the line up I instantly thought well Iniesta would be better out there surely he has played it quite often and does it well and Cesc has been decent in the middle of the park.
Real pushed so hard and closed down so frantically in the first half they were always going to run out of steam at some stage impossible to keep doing it that for 90 minutes. Especially when Barca got a rythm going and pass it much quicker, end up chasing shadows.
Sanchez was pretty bad with the card waving today it was annoying but he is a blinding player, puts in so much effort and his ability is there to be seen.
Not surprised Messi is losing his rag more either some of the tackles he is subjected to are awful. Luckily the little man is so fast he quite often manages to jump out of the way. Was it Ramos? Going in 2 footed on the touch line, Messi see it coming and managed to jump over it! Would have been quite a serious injury.
Real still look like a team of individuals at times I mean Ronaldo had chances to pass it and instead took on a shot, some of them take to many touches and try to go for the glory.
They hadn't faced anyone of major significance all season and even mid week against Ajax they should have conceeded 2 goals which were wrongly disallowed so the holes are there.
Was talk of Carv being missed, not sure how. The guy is so slow and gets caught out of position or giving away stupid tackles don't think he would have made much difference.
Just a heads up that quite early Wednesday around 10:30/11am on ESPN is the Club world cup. Santos vs Barcelona, lets see what the fuss about Neymar is all about. Seen glimpses but already has a huge name to live up to.
Real pushed so hard and closed down so frantically in the first half they were always going to run out of steam at some stage impossible to keep doing it that for 90 minutes. Especially when Barca got a rythm going and pass it much quicker, end up chasing shadows.
Sanchez was pretty bad with the card waving today it was annoying but he is a blinding player, puts in so much effort and his ability is there to be seen.
Not surprised Messi is losing his rag more either some of the tackles he is subjected to are awful. Luckily the little man is so fast he quite often manages to jump out of the way. Was it Ramos? Going in 2 footed on the touch line, Messi see it coming and managed to jump over it! Would have been quite a serious injury.
Real still look like a team of individuals at times I mean Ronaldo had chances to pass it and instead took on a shot, some of them take to many touches and try to go for the glory.
They hadn't faced anyone of major significance all season and even mid week against Ajax they should have conceeded 2 goals which were wrongly disallowed so the holes are there.
Was talk of Carv being missed, not sure how. The guy is so slow and gets caught out of position or giving away stupid tackles don't think he would have made much difference.
Just a heads up that quite early Wednesday around 10:30/11am on ESPN is the Club world cup. Santos vs Barcelona, lets see what the fuss about Neymar is all about. Seen glimpses but already has a huge name to live up to.
Hahahahaha.
Quit embarrassing yourself.
Question, are you the same 'jonneymendoza' that is on AVForums? He seems to get ridiculed a lot there too for posting similar nonsense constantly.
Even your hero - Drunkenmaster - is baffled by your attitude.
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Real seem to have no bottle. They have started the last couple of classicos better than barca, hell they were even 1 up by 40 seconds. But barca scored 1 and they stopped pressing. barca got the second and they just gave up. Once they gave up the hard, dirty tackles came in. Ref was pretty good last night gave cards for blatant kicks and didn't give cards for 50/50 fouls.
I was right then
there is no team in the world that can stop Barca when Messi turns up
I'd say that can dominate for another 4-5 years
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Helps that Messi is surrounded by better players he's played around for ~10 years who always give him the ball
Yup, Messi is undoubtedly brilliant, but writing off Ronaldo because Messi in a MUCH better team still does better when these two teams face each other.
I would hazard a guess some of these are the guys who say Rooney could be the third best player in the world, despite Rooney doing nothing against barca in the champs league final for 89% of the game.
You can't ramdomly say Messi is unquestionably better than Ronaldo based on these games because Messi is in a better and FAR more established team.
Ronaldo had Alves and Puyol set up JUST to contain him... Messi was up against Marcelo...... who can't defend at all, with Ramos inside him, who was useless and isn't very good.
In fact Mourinho's tactics were appauling, despite Alonso being terrible in basically each of the classico's and Khedira being poor in some but showing better in the later ones last season, I would have started him.
Likewise, Messi/Iniesta or Messi/Cesc tend to swap wings and have done all season multiple times a game. How many times did we see Ronaldo switched to the right to go up against Abidal, while excellent, doesn't have the pace of Alves or the defensive strength of Puyol, while Di Maria did smeg all down the right. Real Madrid played the same game all night, and it wasn't working at all from Barca's first onwards, yet basically no changes at all.
There is no other top manager I can think of who doesn't switch his wingers around in such situations to change it up, and Mourinho did nothing. Simple unpredictability of changing players around a little and letting them switch wings, or let Ronaldo go upfront for a bit. Once Barca adjusted to Real, which they did, Real were almost completely contained. I don't think Pep has yet proved himself as anything but a manager who took over the best team in the world, and not screwed it up.
But he made changes to contain the right wing during the game, it worked, and Real looked poor from then on, Mourinho, supposedly a genius, changed nothing, found no way to combat them, made no real changes, and lost playing poorly and again found his team get frustrated and start kicking out. real again deserved a red card, or two.
If Mourinho is the best in the world, why was he utterly unable to change the way the game went? Why was Pep on the sideline screaming at his players and making changes, and Mourinho looked almost disinterested sitting inside the dugout for the majority of the game?
The reason they doubled up on Ronaldo is because he is a winger you know he is going to play on the wing and stay out there.
Real Madrid play with a front 3 and with a proper striker up front, Barcelona do not. The front 3 move around and Messi although looks like he is meant to be on the wing never stays out there and has free roam so who do you put on him to mark him? If someone follows him about it leaves holes which get exploited.
It's definitely harder to pick up Messi in a game than Ronaldo because of the way Messi plays.
You seem to be putting Pep down a bit as well. He has made decent adjustments in that team brought through players from the B team that people hadn't heard of and had barely even got a game in the B team prior to being called up.
He has giving them the work rate, the desire and the passion to go out and play this way. It's easy to say he has just been given the best team but he has managed to get them playing in such a way. He has created a very strong bond in the team and kicked out some of the distractions (Eto'o).
He also made some tactical decisions which in the second half paid off handsomely.
Real Madrid play with a front 3 and with a proper striker up front, Barcelona do not. The front 3 move around and Messi although looks like he is meant to be on the wing never stays out there and has free roam so who do you put on him to mark him? If someone follows him about it leaves holes which get exploited.
It's definitely harder to pick up Messi in a game than Ronaldo because of the way Messi plays.
You seem to be putting Pep down a bit as well. He has made decent adjustments in that team brought through players from the B team that people hadn't heard of and had barely even got a game in the B team prior to being called up.
He has giving them the work rate, the desire and the passion to go out and play this way. It's easy to say he has just been given the best team but he has managed to get them playing in such a way. He has created a very strong bond in the team and kicked out some of the distractions (Eto'o).
He also made some tactical decisions which in the second half paid off handsomely.
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Ronaldo did play down the right for large parts of the second half though. Di Maria was terrible though, that moment early on where the ball broke down the right for him to square across the box and he tried to stab it across with the outside of his left foot was shocking from a professional footballer.
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2nd Barca goal was lucky, but once again Madrid fluffed golden chances, had to chase the game and ended up running out of steam and losing. Don't think it will matter too much though, they still have a game in hand to stay 3 points ahead, and Barca will be off to the World Club Cup, can't see them not dropping a few points in/around that period.
I said a couple of times already that I think Madrid can win La Liga this year even if they lose both games to Barca, half-way to being right...
I said a couple of times already that I think Madrid can win La Liga this year even if they lose both games to Barca, half-way to being right...
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Yep that's because pep is a great manager who can promote talent and make game changing tactical decisions on the fly.
Sky just switched to the Espanyol Atletico Madrid match with a highlight of a goal Verdu scored from 20 yards just before we joined them, as soon as that stops they go back to the live match, Verdu runs straight onto the ball and does it again!
Espanyol now 4-1 up and this game is hilarious. The commentators have now suggested Atletico are playing this badly to try and get their manager sacked. Ballague at half time when asked what the manager will be thinking at half time answered "where to take his kids on holiday, because he's getting sacked tomorrow".
Espanyol now 4-1 up and this game is hilarious. The commentators have now suggested Atletico are playing this badly to try and get their manager sacked. Ballague at half time when asked what the manager will be thinking at half time answered "where to take his kids on holiday, because he's getting sacked tomorrow".
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Real Madrid let themselves down last night by not playing a natural game. They went out to prevent Barcelona playing, rather than playing like they have done this season.
Barcelona are used to teams trying to stop them playing, whether its a high tempo approach or just containment, a team full of footballers like Barcelona have, wont worry about that, as they are all comfortable enough to make a simple pass and look for a bit of space in tight places.
Barcelona are used to teams trying to stop them playing, whether its a high tempo approach or just containment, a team full of footballers like Barcelona have, wont worry about that, as they are all comfortable enough to make a simple pass and look for a bit of space in tight places.
Did anyone else notice if the audio to this game seemed a little different to the EPL? To me the volume level of the crowd seemed slightly lower and I preferred it.
Regarding the game, I think it's a real shame Ronaldo's style changed from a Giggs type winger to the bulkier goal machine we see today. He was so much more watchable and maybe could have become as unplayable in the big games as Messi can be, had he not changed so much.
Regarding the game, I think it's a real shame Ronaldo's style changed from a Giggs type winger to the bulkier goal machine we see today. He was so much more watchable and maybe could have become as unplayable in the big games as Messi can be, had he not changed so much.
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Yea i notice that the croud audio noise level is low. dont like it. i prefer to hear the croud atmosphere
