Soldato
Bit of a kick in the nuts to marshal safety tbh.
Spanish Grand Prix 2011, Circuit de Catalunya- Race 5/19
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Bit of a kick in the nuts to marshal safety tbh.
It was in a breaking area so they can't prove they didn't go slower, however the improved sector times indicate they perhaps didn't go slower, so they got a reprimand.
Of course they didn't go slower, fastest sector time of anyone at all in a yellow zone. Fia don't need evidence and usually gives out penalties on much weaker evidence.
And that doesn't make any sense anyway. Just because it's in a braking spot makes no odds. You break earlier and/or harder. Or ease of the gas earlier before the break point. These things are we sores unto the max. The fia just let them off.
And that doesn't make any sense anyway. Just because it's in a braking spot makes no odds. You break earlier and/or harder. Or ease of the gas earlier before the break point. These things are we sores unto the max. The fia just let them off.
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I actually detest these tyres more than the DRS or any of the stupid rules they are discussing. I hate the drop off between a car that's pitted 4 laps previous compared to a new set. You can see why everyone is saving them.
Webber battles Alonso for a couple of laps and just like hamilton v button last race, the tyres were done and he dropped back.
Webber battles Alonso for a couple of laps and just like hamilton v button last race, the tyres were done and he dropped back.
i prefer them to the softs that could do 70 laps.
atleast we see action now, even is some of it is no contest, it makes for more chances of mistakes and more planning needed.
hamilton showed today you can race with them for nearly a full stint when he was chasing vettel, he was pushing for most of the race.
Well the telemetry will have shown that the cars will have slowed for that corner, doesn't stop them flying round the rest of the sector though. I doubt they slowed for the yellows, but if penalties were given we'd be seeing a lot more post race penalties which I'd rather not see happen.
I see sunama has been quiet since Vettel overtook that train of cars in quick succession, which basically won him the race. Sure Vettel hasn't got a history of making victories by charging through the field, but that's because he hasn't needed to due to being on pole so much.
I see sunama has been quiet since Vettel overtook that train of cars in quick succession, which basically won him the race. Sure Vettel hasn't got a history of making victories by charging through the field, but that's because he hasn't needed to due to being on pole so much.
Mark Blundel is an idiot - this is why the stewarding for the yellow flag bit makes no sense...
Hope Kolles does the troll really, might drag the 107% sure down enough anyway to make things better for HRT/Virgin. Mean's F1 will stop just wasting a bit of fuel for aero reasons
Hope Kolles does the troll really, might drag the 107% sure down enough anyway to make things better for HRT/Virgin. Mean's F1 will stop just wasting a bit of fuel for aero reasons
And what was the state of the tyres like compared to Vettel when it happened. Genuine question as I was round someones for dinner so only half watching with half interest.
If he was on newer compared to old it's a completely different scenario in comparison to previous years.
We heard about Hamilton's blue button and yellow button, all he needs now is a big red button!
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Yeah Vettel had just come out of the pits on fresh rubber, but that's always going to happen in the race and people haven't devalued other driver's overtakes in the same scenario. The overtake he made on Button was by no means easy, he only *just* squeezed past. What made it impressive was how he managed to minimise the time lost whilst overtaking traffic.
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Yeah Vettel had just come out of the pits on fresh rubber, but that's always going to happen in the race and people haven't devalued other driver's overtakes in the same scenario. The overtake he made on Button was by no means easy, he only *just* squeezed past. What made it impressive was how he managed to minimise the time lost whilst overtaking traffic.
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Wasn't the yellow zone specifically in an off throttle part of the track. That's why it took longer than usual to assess their caution with the flag. It wasn't a clear cut, they've gone faster, it was consideration for the situation. McLaren and RBR obviously demonstrated that quite well.
As for the race, I thought it was great. Action up and down the field all the way. Loved the start from Alonso too and the fact the upgrade package McLaren brought seems to have worked.
Tricky times ahead though for Monaco. Highest downforce car is still the RB and we all know that's what gets you round the twisties fastest. I don't think anyone will be able to challenge them there.
Hmm, I'm undecided about that myself. RBR is strongest in high speed corners where the car can remain on the throttle longer than its rivals due to their extra downforce. Monaco is normally all about mechanical grip due it's tight and slow technical street layout, but I think the Red Bull's are quite good in that respect too (after all Webber won last year). Ferrari seems decent in mechanical group in the slow corners, Alonso could do well I reckon.
Vettel had brand new tyres on, so not exactly clean cut racing.
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yeah, mclaren should had won.........redbull was clearly set up for qualifine since they were around 0.4 per lap slower than lewis and hair dressor button.
Yup but as I said, no one devalued similar overtakes like Hamilton on Vettel in China with much fresher rubber.
I was more impressed that Vettel made those crucial 3/4 passes in little over a lap which kept him on track strategy wise to take the lead. When cars need 5 sets of rubber a race now there are of course going to be different states of rubber out there most of the time.
Some people didn't think Vettel could overtake at all or win when not in clear air.
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Excellent race, really enjoyed it. What an excellent drive by Hamilton - he really is our only chance at a good season. Love to see him getting everything he can out of the car. Also, what a start by Alonso!
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Yeah they (and we) did? The only thing of remote class in that overtake was that Hamilton had the audacity to charge up a full boost of KERS and deploy it in one go. It was inevitable due to the tyre advantage that he'd get past in the end. Same as with Vettel on those cars today.
I agree - I was one of them. I assumed Vettel would look for the easy pass, or wait until somebody pitted, or hang around and then get fed up and try some move that only succeeded because the other driver was gracious. I didn't expect him to pass two excellent drivers so quickly after coming out. The tyres obviously helped, but it showed that Vettel can keep his head and make the moves when necessary. He was my driver of the day, and it really really pains me to say that.
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Hopefully this will stop people constantly referring back to last season and the fact that he can't win if he isn't leading.
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I fully expect the renaults to do well (top 6, qually) as they have good grip and traction.
Does annoy me that the teams bring such a radical wing setup to Monaco, and essentially throw it away afterwards. Thought they weren't allowed to run a specialist setup for a single purpose of one gp (or something to that effect)?
