That's the one result I hope happens tomorrow.
Spanish Grand Prix 2012, Catalunya - Race 5/20
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That's the one result I hope happens tomorrow.
I really hope so. Nothing could be worse than Alonso winning in Spain in a Ferrari.
I feel Hamilton's penalty was the wrong decision but I can't agree with this. Alonso is a class act and to put his Ferrari 3rd on the grid in it's current state is a fantastic achievement. I don't think he will have the race pace unless something unexpected happens, I can see the Lotus' doing well tomorrow. They have great pace down the straight and DRS will exaggerate that.
well McLaren new he didn't have enough fuel on board after he left the pits, but rather than bring him back in they pushed their luck and let him do a timed lap.
So he was deliberately sent round with out enough fuel, team is imploding.
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come on Alonso, hope he wins
Just personal opinion really, I dislike the guy, and wouldn't want to see him winning
.Not denying he's a good driver, but he's not the person I'd want to see winning the race.
The way the rules are written excluding Lewis from qualifying was the only decision the stewards could make. Cars must have a litre of fuel on board at all times and return to the pits under their own power. If the FIA checked fuel after every qualifying lap then they could have just stripped Lewis of his pole lap, but they don't so the assumption has to be he was under-fuelled for the whole of qualifying.
I'm a Lewis/McLaren fan btw, it annoys me that the stewards are so inconsistent but imo they got this one right. For too long now F1 teams have been getting away with breaking the rules and relying on charming the stewards afterwards. One things for sure I bet for the next GP everyone will return to the pits under their own steam (except in cases of force majeure ofc).
Sadly I think McLaren do have a bit of reputation for dishonesty, there was Spygate and that other incident in Australia where Hamilton's engineer had to resign for lying to the stewards. Though not as serious, this incident leaves a bad taste in the mouth - with Hamilton's race engineer ordering Lewis to stop due to a technical fault and not because he doesn't have enough fuel. Then sending Sam Michael in to the stewards to argue that a McLaren engineer ballsing up and under fuelling the car was force majeure i.e. an act of God.
I'm a Lewis/McLaren fan btw, it annoys me that the stewards are so inconsistent but imo they got this one right. For too long now F1 teams have been getting away with breaking the rules and relying on charming the stewards afterwards. One things for sure I bet for the next GP everyone will return to the pits under their own steam (except in cases of force majeure ofc).
Sadly I think McLaren do have a bit of reputation for dishonesty, there was Spygate and that other incident in Australia where Hamilton's engineer had to resign for lying to the stewards. Though not as serious, this incident leaves a bad taste in the mouth - with Hamilton's race engineer ordering Lewis to stop due to a technical fault and not because he doesn't have enough fuel. Then sending Sam Michael in to the stewards to argue that a McLaren engineer ballsing up and under fuelling the car was force majeure i.e. an act of God.
His earlier time, set when he clearly did have enough fuel to return to the pits would have put him fifth. Back of the grid is, in no way, proportionate to the offence.
Personally, I think Vettel, Schumi and Kobayashi should face penalties for not even trying to set a time. A rules chance is needed, methinks - getting rid of the pointless rule that you have to start on the same tyres would do it.
Personally, I think Vettel, Schumi and Kobayashi should face penalties for not even trying to set a time. A rules chance is needed, methinks - getting rid of the pointless rule that you have to start on the same tyres would do it.
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Not surprised at the overly harsh penalty. One of the many reasons I am loosing interest in F1.
No, because that's a force majeure situation which the teams can't control and the rules allow exceptions for. Mind you, Nelson Piquet jr might disagree with that
No.
You have to make it back to the pits under your own power unless you have a technical or mechanical reason for not doing so. Like braking down or crashing.
Telling your driver to stop because you think he doesn't have enough fuel is not a mechanical or technical reason. Its actually the exact behaviour that got the rule put in in the first place, again with Hamilton.
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Agreed. F1 is not racing any more its politics.
Hamilton should tell team McClown where to do when contract time comes to be honest.
Ditto, I'm a fan and I think Hamilton should have received a penalty.
BUT, it's hard to justify how Hamilton can go from pole to behind someone who didn't even qualify in the 107% rule, through no fault of his own.
Hamilton actually rated this as his 2nd favourite pole behind his 1st ever.
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I'd just park up if I was lewis, no point hurting the engine and gearbox. Really struggle to understand how mclaren make a great car, get great drivers but cant change a tyre or vaguely manage strategy. Nice to see a williams on pole though, wish it had been their other driver.
Probably could, but they have accepted it.
Part of me thinks Mclaren's hand is forced in these situations to not appeal, due to past offences such as spy gate, lie gate etc. and it's some sort of deal with the FIA to not cause a fuss.
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No, because that's a force majeure situation which the teams can't control and the rules allow exceptions for. Mind you, Nelson Piquet jr might disagree with that
So if you're in this position you're better off driving into the wall!
Yeah, flipping this round and now looking at the grid as it is I'm proper happy for Frank and the Williams team. After the few years they have had this is epic. Its a pole on pace too, not like Hulkenburgs one from good judgement in 2010.
But why did it have to be mug faced pay driver oil funded unlikeable idiot driver who got it
But why did it have to be mug faced pay driver oil funded unlikeable idiot driver who got it
the team deliberately let him do a lap with out enough fuel, they took a gamble, they lost.
If they had brought him back in with out setting a time, he would have been 4th or something, team gambled.
Drivers who do not set a time in q3 should be sent to the back.