Spanish Grand Prix 2012, Catalunya - Race 5/20

Fun, though, isn't it?

I must admit, i did enjoy todays race...

BUT

I am not really enjoying this season. I just get the feeling that no team or driver is really winning races/points due to actual skill or engineering prowess. Instead, it just seems to be a bit random and depends entirely upon whether the tyres are working for you on a particular weekend.

I will still follow this season but i'm not sure i like where it is going.

Also, DRS should be scrapped ASAP!!
 
Also, inconsistency with the rules:

In Hungary, drive through penalty for Hamilton, Dangerous driving/re-joing the race in an unsafe manner:


Today, Perez rejoins the track, clearly going much slower than everyone else, and forcing Hamilton to take evasive action and go of the track:


no penalty for Perez of course....
 
Also, inconsistency with the rules:

In Hungary, drive through penalty for Hamilton, Dangerous driving/re-joing the race in an unsafe manner:


Today, Perez rejoins the track, clearly going much slower than everyone else, and forcing Hamilton to take evasive action and go of the track:


no penalty for Perez of course....

The obvious difference that this was Lap 1 Turn 3 and Perez had a puncture that was controlling his direction more than he was.
 
Perez had a puncture that was controlling his direction more than he was.

Oh come on, you don't truely believe that do you?!

"20.2 Drivers must use the track at all times. For the avoidance of doubt the white lines defining the track edges are considered to be part of the track but the kerbs are not.
A driver will be judged to have left the track if no part of the car remains in contact with the track.
Should a car leave the track the driver may rejoin, however, this may only be done when it is safe to do so and without gaining any advantage"


I don't see how that was safe from Perez? He just completely cut Hamilton up.
 
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I thought it was Hamilton's spin that actually caused the concern in Hungary, I cant see anything else Perez could have done differently

I dont think the FIA expects a racing driver to wait for every car to go past calmly before a car rejoins the race , there was a reasonable gap, he went for it.

Lap 1 most things go un-punished just because it is such a melee
 
I don't believe the current season is random. In every race weekend, for example, we've seen McLaren be strong. Nor are we seeing HRTs streak past Red Bulls..

:confused::confused:

I dont think you can argue that McLaren have been strong all weekend at all every race weekend

They have had at least 3 out of 5 poor races by their standards

Generally their race pace has been good rather than decent, Lewis did ok yesterday but still struggled over taking other cars (and was even losing places at the end)

I think JB had an extra stop due to flat spoting one set , but even so pace was low top ten at any rate.

No disrespect to Lewis, but I think he would have struggled to hang onto Maldonado and Alonso even if he had started from pole, his top gear was that bad. He MIGHT have beaten the lotus's but I think it would have been a close thing for 3/4/5

The tyres are more condition sensitive than before, making the teams have to work harder to produce effective setups (which is why we can see the two cars of the same team so separated - e.g. Button vs. Lewis today) and meaning that the differences between cars come into play in different ways at different races.

We've always seen this to some extent, with different tracks playing to the strengths of one team or another; it's just a stronger effect this season. Combine that with a very evenly matched field and you get the variety of winners and losers that we're seeing.

This race wasn't won or lost on random factors, anymore than other years. Maldonado won by getting the pit stop strategy right. Vettel and Webber lost time to the need to get a new front wing. Hamilton lost a place to a mechanic not moving the wheel out of the way.

Do the tyre wear patterns make tyre management more important than other years? Yes, they do. Do I think that's a bad thing? No, I don't. You're still watching something that is ultimately down to driver skill and team strategists to manage to their advantage.[/QUOTE]
 
So, who can explain to me why there is such a void between Massa and Alonso.

Their cars can't be that different.

Why are Ferrari still holding on to Massa?
 
Massa hasnt got it anymore, he'll soon be retired from F1 or in a HRT. He certainly doesn't deserve to be in a Ferrari.

Someone needs to bring barrachello back, nicest guy on the circuit and i belive he could do better than massa or senner for the rest of this season.
 
Some videos of the fire (sorry if posted earlier, I didnt get in till late and didnt see it myself earlier).


 
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I don't believe the current season is random. In every race weekend, for example, we've seen McLaren be strong. Nor are we seeing HRTs streak past Red Bulls.

The tyres are more condition sensitive than before, making the teams have to work harder to produce effective setups (which is why we can see the two cars of the same team so separated - e.g. Button vs. Lewis today) and meaning that the differences between cars come into play in different ways at different races.

We've always seen this to some extent, with different tracks playing to the strengths of one team or another; it's just a stronger effect this season. Combine that with a very evenly matched field and you get the variety of winners and losers that we're seeing.

This race wasn't won or lost on random factors, anymore than other years. Maldonado won by getting the pit stop strategy right. Vettel and Webber lost time to the need to get a new front wing. Hamilton lost a place to a mechanic not moving the wheel out of the way.

Do the tyre wear patterns make tyre management more important than other years? Yes, they do. Do I think that's a bad thing? No, I don't. You're still watching something that is ultimately down to driver skill and team strategists to manage to their advantage.

Alonso was nowhere in the first 4 races, except the one he won!

Perez has been nowhere except for the one he should have won.

Maldonado has been nowhere except for the race he won.

Vettel won one, was strong in the race in Oz but other than that hasn't looked like winning another.

Rosberg's victory was the most dominant win of the season but other than that he has been very average.

Complete randomness.
 
Alonso was nowhere in the first 4 races, except the one he won!

Perez has been nowhere except for the one he should have won.

Maldonado has been nowhere except for the race he won.

Vettel won one, was strong in the race in Oz but other than that hasn't looked like winning another.

Rosberg's victory was the most dominant win of the season but other than that he has been very average.

Complete randomness.

Alonso won due to rain.

Perez and Sauber have been quick all year and in testing. Perez's result was due to rain though again.

Maldonado was quick all through this weekend. Williams obviously have a well designed car. He was also quick at other circuits, he just crashed out.

Rosberg - we know the Mercedes is very fast in a straight line and has great mechanical grip, where they suffer is with downforce. China is a track with massive straights and low speeds turns, perfectly suited to Mercedes.

Nothing really random about those results.

McLaren have consistently been fast, but mistakes have cost them.
 
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Complete randomness.
Not really, it's just for the first time ever(?) most of the field is split by a couple of tenths. As seen in qaulifying. If you look at dominate years teams very from one track to the next. They aren't always 1second faster at every race. This is to do with the static rules and ban of a few things like OTBD.

Combine that with what has been said above. It's what you would expect.
 
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theres a conspiracy thread over at autosport with qoutes from that hembrey guy that make it all sound rather suspect as hes always refering to the show and saying "were in the entertainment business"

they think pirreli are either giving some teams the magic tyres or the consistency is so crapy some people will get good tyres while others get rubbish ones which would explain why some teamates struggle with bad tyres some weekends
 
Wow, you guys really aren't happy unless your permanently trying to pick holes in things are you?

I'm gonna keep out of this one, and just be incredibly happy for Frank and the Williams team for the race result, and wish a speedy recovery to anyone who was caught up in the fire afterwards.

This was an overwhelmingly positive day for F1 that then became a rather scary one. Focusing on pointless arguments over tyres or possible discrepancies in the application of minor rules strikes me as missing the bigger picture a bit.

Roll on Monaco!
 
theres a conspiracy thread over at autosport with qoutes from that hembrey guy that make it all sound rather suspect as hes always refering to the show and saying "were in the entertainment business"

they think pirreli are either giving some teams the magic tyres or the consistency is so crapy some people will get good tyres while others get rubbish ones which would explain why some teamates struggle with bad tyres some weekends

So the tyres are so inconsistent that they have massive differences, yet they still somehow manage to give all the rubbish tyres to the same team? :rolleyes:

After a season of 1 guy winning everything people wanted things to be shaken up a bit, and now we have a season with 5 different drivers and team winning in 5 races suddenly everyone is calling shenanigans and conspiracy theories?

And you wonder why there's always arguments in here? People are just never happy!

I'm out.
 
Alonso won due to rain.

Perez and Sauber have been quick all year and in testing. Perez's result was due to rain though again.

Maldonado was quick all through this weekend. Williams obviously have a well designed car. He was also quick at other circuits, he just crashed out.

Rosberg - we know the Mercedes is very fast in a straight line and has great mechanical grip, where they suffer is with downforce. China is a track with massive straights and low speeds turns, perfectly suited to Mercedes.

Nothing really random about those results.

McLaren have consistently been fast, but mistakes have cost them.

Alonso and Perez were also fast in the dry.

Maldonado: I am not saying it was luck on the day, I am saying the tyres make certain cars quick at random circuits. Nothing that Williams have done in the last few races would suggest that they could fight for a win....

Rosberg was also the fastest man in the very fast middle sector, and Mercedes only have a speed an advantage with DRS open(i.e qualifying). Bahrain also has a lot of straights, and slow speed corners- where were Mercedes there?

Not really, it's just for the first time ever(?) most of the field is split by a couple of tenths. As seen in qaulifying.

So suddenly everyone is able to design a car that is as good as a McLaren/Red Bull/Ferrari-BS. Nobody is able to get consistent performance from the tyres so everyone is just going slow. By chance a car, Williams in this case, get the tyres into the right window and come from nowhere to be race winners.
 
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