Spanish Grand Prix 2016, Catalunya - Race 5/21

Skeeter said:
Its hilarious how quickly people suggest drivers should have not bothered to try and make a pass when it goes wrong.
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I was saying before Lewis crashed into Rosberg that he needed to calm down and not do anything stupid. The regularity with which he does this is serious weakness. He was faster than Rosberg this weekend, he should have kept his head and looked for a chance in the long race ahead, instead he lost his head, dived at the first sniff he got and put himself at risk. We all saw what happened next.
 
Mr Jack said:
I was saying before Lewis crashed into Rosberg that he needed to calm down and not do anything stupid. The regularity with which he does this is serious weakness. He was faster than Rosberg this weekend, he should have kept his head and looked for a chance in the long race ahead, instead he lost his head, dived at the first sniff he got and put himself at risk. We all saw what happened next.
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Of course, you would have done it differently!! lol
 
Vertigo1 said:
Well done to Verstappen but I'm getting sick and tired of Red Bull's antics. It's blatantly obvious that they're sacrificing everyone else at the alter of their new wonder-boy. They were looking for any excuse to ditch Kvyat and get him into the main team, then today they screwed Ricciardo over on strategy so Max could win.

It's the same mentality we saw with Vettel where Webber was continually expected to play second fiddle. We should be grateful that Mercedes have some scruples and allow their drivers to race rather than Horner and Marco's system of picking your favourite and then screwing over the other guy at every opportunity.
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The thing is Webber just wasn't as good as Vettel... which is why they put all their eggs in his basket... with Ric and Vestappen I'm not sure who is better, they're both extremely close imo, much closer than Vet and Web were... so it'll be obvious to us if RB are favouring one driver over the other because the only way they'll be able to engineer wins for Max is by ****** up Ric's stategy - which will be obvious to see... for that reason I don't think RB will favour one driver over the other so early on. They'd have to see one driver beating the other on merit and same strat consistently first.
 
Official FIA Stewards statement

The FIA statement in full

The incident concerned started when Car 6 dropped into an incorrect power mode, as set by the driver prior to the start.

This created a significant power differential between Car 6 and Car 44 at the exit of Turn 3 coming onto the straight, resulting in as much as a 17kph speed difference between the two cars on the straight.

Car 6 moved to the right to defend his position, as is his right under Art 27.7 of the Sporting regulations. Simultaneously Car 44 as the significantly faster car with, at that time, apparent space on the inside, moved to make the pass. Art 27.7 requires the leading driver to leave room, if there is a "significant portion" of the car attempting to pass alongside.

Car 44 had a portion of his front wing inside Car 6 small fractions of a second prior to Car 44 having to leave the right side of the track to avoid an initial collision, which may have led him to believe he had the right to space on the right. Once on the grass on the side of the track Car 44 was no longer in control of the situation.

Having heard extensively from both drivers and from the team, the Stewards determined that Car 6 had the right to make the manoeuvre that he did and that Car 44's attempt to overtake was reasonable, and that the convergence of events led neither driver to be wholly or predominantly at fault, and therefore take no further action.
 
Seems like a reasonable decision, and good of the FIA stewards to explain it so thoroughly. Reading this thread and others on Autosport etc. a lot of people are obviously very emotional about the day so hopefully that statement will help to see through the red mist.
 
What I read then is Romberg knows how much slower he was, and put himself in front of another car, causing the crash.
Romberg is the one who had the wrong power mode.
Said he can't see another car whilst fixing it.
Knowing he can't match sped then he defends knowing of his technical problem?
 
Wait, so Rosberg was in the wrong powermode and was significantly slower as a result - so decides to block Hamilton and run him off the road. How on earth is Rosberg not at fault knowing that? I was thinking 50/50, but that is just dangerous.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Wait, so Rosberg was in the wrong powermode and was significantly slower as a result - so decides to block Hamilton and run him off the road. How on earth is Rosberg not at fault knowing that? I was thinking 50/50, but that is just dangerous.
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Because you can change the power mode, he was leading and has the right to defend within the regulations.
 
I find it interesting that Rosberg's wrong mode didn't impact his progress until turn 3. Is the Safety Car mode activation delayed after selection?
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Wait, so Rosberg was in the wrong powermode and was significantly slower as a result - so decides to block Hamilton and run him off the road. How on earth is Rosberg not at fault knowing that? I was thinking 50/50, but that is just dangerous.
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How dare he try to protect his position after a silly mistake!?

I've never seen a F1 driver NOT to move out of the way of a car behind in situation like that!
 
Em3bbs said:
Seems like a reasonable decision, and good of the FIA stewards to explain it so thoroughly. Reading this thread and others on Autosport etc. a lot of people are obviously very emotional about the day so hopefully that statement will help to see through the red mist.
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The statement appears to quite clearly to me say that Hamilton had himself alongside Rosberg before he went off track, at that point Rosberg can't just close the gap, I can't see how this isn't deemed entirely Rosberg's fault.

We see many many times a driver defend, he has every right to do so and to close off one side but the attacking driver has every right to continue heading down that side. If the driver behind gets alongside the driver ahead loses the right to not leave a gap. Rosberg had Hamilton alongside him and shoved him off the track.

Schumi vs Barrichello, Schumi went right, Barrichello went right, Barrichello still beat Schumi as he stayed right and got alongside Schumi before he could close off that side completely. AS a result even Schumi left space though it was mere inches of space against a wall. Despite not even putting him into the wall Schumi got a penalty for dangerous driving.

The simple fact is that you can defend however you like right up till the point someone is alongside. If someone is alongside you have to leave space. If this wasn't two Merc drivers, if this was any two teams drivers Rosberg would have a penalty for doing what he did. I really dislike that if an incident involves drivers from the same team and the team isn't pushing for a penalty things either get away without penalty or even not investigated. Rules are rules, teams shouldn't get away with breaking them because it only costs their own team.


Honestly there are so so many incidents over the years where a driver got alongside despite the driver ahead attempting to close off the gap and every single one I can think of either the driver who was ahead left room or they caused a collision and picked up a penalty, I see zero difference here.

Was it Magnussen got a penalty for pushing ALonso off in Spa iirc. The instant Hamilton gets alongside while on track the lead driver loses the 'high ground' and the choice to not leave space.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-FQ_uLqfGw

This got Magnussen a penalty, because Alonso went up the outside, Magnussen attempted to move over, ALonso got alongside before he could and Magnussen pushed him further AFTER Alonso got a bit alongside him. Even here ALonso wasn't forced 4 wheels off the track, he didn't lose control of the car because he was off the track. But this was a semi harsh penalty where Rosberg does something significantly worse, more dangerous and caused the end of another drivers race and it's no penalty at all?
 
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drunkenmaster said:
The statement appears to quite clearly to me say that Hamilton had himself alongside Rosberg before he went off track, at that point Rosberg can't just close the gap, I can't see how this isn't deemed entirely Rosberg's fault.

We see many many times a driver defend, he has every right to do so and to close off one side but the attacking driver has every right to continue heading down that side. If the driver behind gets alongside the driver ahead loses the right to not leave a gap. Rosberg had Hamilton alongside him and shoved him off the track.

Schumi vs Barrichello, Schumi went right, Barrichello went right, Barrichello still beat Schumi as he stayed right and got alongside Schumi before he could close off that side completely. AS a result even Schumi left space though it was mere inches of space against a wall. Despite not even putting him into the wall Schumi got a penalty for dangerous driving.

The simple fact is that you can defend however you like right up till the point someone is alongside. If someone is alongside you have to leave space. If this wasn't two Merc drivers, if this was any two teams drivers Rosberg would have a penalty for doing what he did. I really dislike that if an incident involves drivers from the same team and the team isn't pushing for a penalty things either get away without penalty or even not investigated. Rules are rules, teams shouldn't get away with breaking them because it only costs their own team.


Honestly there are so so many incidents over the years where a driver got alongside despite the driver ahead attempting to close off the gap and every single one I can think of either the driver who was ahead left room or they caused a collision and picked up a penalty, I see zero difference here.

Was it Magnussen got a penalty for pushing ALonso off in Spa iirc. The instant Hamilton gets alongside while on track the lead driver loses the 'high ground' and the choice to not leave space.
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He wasn't alongside though when Rosberg started making the move.
 
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