Spanish Grand Prix 2016, Catalunya - Race 5/21

Right decision. Rosberg must surely have realised by now that his aggresive defending is just too aggressive, like when they came together at Spa. Drivers at this level will put faith - blindly or not - in one another and risk it, often ending in a setback or a full on crash.
 
NickXX said:
He wasn't alongside though when Rosberg started making the move.
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What has the start got to do with anything?

Rosberg could stop moving over at any point. Which he should when he realises that he will collide with the driver or cause them to take avoiding action.

Hamilton made his move first and from that point was committed. Rosberg is then the only one who who could prevent that collision. Rosberg may have thought he could close the gap in time, but he was wrong. Hamilton was alongside.

The Sky video above is excellent in showing that. If he was far enough in front to close the gap in front of Hamilton, not by pushing him off the track, then Hamilton has time to react with regards to the closing speed difference. He could brake or or go left.

This is the entire point of making one move, and not covering multiple lines on a track as the guy behind hasn't a clue what to do and can never attempt to overrake without a collision happening. Rosberg was taking the racing line for the corner and then changed his mind.
 
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What if Hamilton kept his line tight to the right (it was either that or go off the track, he picked his line before Rosberg switches from Left to Right). It would just look like Rosberg colliding into Hamilton, in an attempt to block Hamilton off the racing line.
 
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Hamilton had the right to go for a move, and 99% of all other racing drivers would have taken that move too, if they were in the same situation. They might say slightly differently having watched this on the TV and seen the end results, but had Rosberg left enough room for Hamilton to at least stay off the grass, i'm sure both cars would have made it round the next corner at least.

Rosberg knew he was slow coming out of that corner and that Hamilton was gaining on him fast. He knew he'd try an overtake and that it would most likely be down the inside. He tried to cover it and when he realised hamilton was still coming he made sure there was no track left. Why else would be move so far over?

Bearing in mind this all happened in a split second, it's easy to say it was a racing incident. But I can't think of many other drivers that would move so far over to the inside coming up to the breaking zone that there wasn't at least enough room for another car before it was onto the grass?

Still, I'm glad Max won today. The most impressive thing for me is that he'll have probably never driven that car before this weekend, and he pretty much matched his team mate almost straight away. What will he be like in 4 or 5 races time once he's settled into the team and car? I'm sure most wouldn't have expected much better than top 8 or maybe top 6 for the first few races at the very best.
 
I just can't see it any way other than Rosberg's fault. It reminds me of when I go karting and you get people that are just such bad losers that they won't allow you to "race". Any attempt to pull up alongside even with a large over speed sees you have an instant accident as they deliberately cut you off aggressively. That's not racing. That's cutting people off because they are faster than you. It's schoolboy material and should be penalized.

A lot like this old classic where Schumacher got a 10 place grid penalty:



"Michael Schumacher will be penalised 10 grid places at the next grand prix after a move Rubens Barrichello called the most dangerous in his long career.

Schumacher pushed his former team-mate within centimetres of a concrete wall as the pair were travelling at 180mph, late in the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Immediately after the race, Schumacher maintained he had not been at fault.

But former F1 driver Alex Wurz said the German had "stepped far over the line of any sporting code".
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/36297948

Rosberg's BS defence. I think he knows he got lucky with the stewards. They are the experts and we should accept their decision remember.

Rosberg countered: "I saw Lewis closing in so as soon as I could I closed the door to the inside with a clear, strong move to make sure he understands there is not going to be space there, and I was very surprised that he went for it anyway. That's it. Then we were in the sand trap."
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Hamilton made his move first.

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It's no good trying to make it clear there would be no space once Hamilton had already committed. It is pushing him off the track (or colliding with him if Hamilton keeps the line).
 
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Personally, I would call it marginally less serious/dangerous than the clip just above, from Barichello and Schumacher at Hungary.

It should have been a clear cut minimum of a 5 place grid penalty.

Swiping drivers off the road goes beyond racing as a sport and the guy who does it is the one that has a history of this (Bahrain), which resulted in a rule that the stewards were too weak to implement yesterday.

If only the FIA would step in and overrule the judgement, you know, like govern their sport!
 
Should make for some good racing now that the fia have deemed it fair game to run someone off the road when they have a significant speed advantage and nowhere else to go. I hope rosberg never wins a championship, there is no one less deserving.
 
It was nowhere as bad as Schumi vs Barichello and I don't even understand how can anyone compare those 2 situations. Rosberg moved to defend his place before Hamilton had any part of his car alongside. Hamilton should have breaked as soon as he saw door being closed.
Anyway as far as I'm concerned they should take each other out more often so we get to see more cars fighting for the win. :)
 
So many moves in F1 are marginal and depend on the driver in front giving enough room to avoid an accident, that's part of the rules of the sport and without this there would be a whole lot of accidents.

You can't blame the overtaking car for going for a gap, Hamilton had to go for the overtake especially with the extra speed he was carrying.

This sets a bad precedent imo.
 
koolpc said:
Of course, you would have done it differently!! lol
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Me? No. But most of the other drivers on the grid wouldn't have got themselves involved in that accident. Can you imagine Alonso or Button being silly enough to get themselves wiped out on the first lap when they know there's a whole race ahead of them to get the place back? I don't think so. We've seen this happen a lot from Hamilton: he gets passed in the early stages and then, rather than doing what a sensible driver would do and biding his time, he goes for a reckless pass on a half-chance. More than once, we've seen this end in tears.

Hamilton's aggressive driving personality is part of the reason he's one of my favourite drivers, but it has too frequently cost him races.
 
Given the fact that RAI was stuck behind VES for half the race with a faster car and ROS would get pit stop priority HAM had to go for that opportunity.

HAM did not try and keep the place in T1 as he knew it was lost and then saw a mistake from ROS and went for it, ROS was distracted saw HAM late and closed the door too late.

For HAMs championship better to go for the overtake than settle for 2nd
 
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Me? No. But most of the other drivers on the grid wouldn't have got themselves involved in that accident. Can you imagine Alonso or Button being silly enough to get themselves wiped out on the first lap when they know there's a whole race ahead of them to get the place back? I don't think so. We've seen this happen a lot from Hamilton: he gets passed in the early stages and then, rather than doing what a sensible driver would do and biding his time, he goes for a reckless pass on a half-chance. More than once, we've seen this end in tears.

Hamilton's aggressive driving personality is part of the reason he's one of my favourite drivers, but it has too frequently cost him races.
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It wasn't reckless, he was on a straight carrying a lot more speed, why should he not try to overtake? The accident was a result of Rosberg not leaving room.

Which even the stewards agree with, what happens afterwards is a result of that and nothing else.

So the message to the drivers is clear, it's okay to force drivers off the track because we can just blame them for attempting the overtake.

Wonderful result for the sport.
 
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