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Poll: Spanish Grand Prix 2018, Barcelona - Race 5/21
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The last Ferrari title was more than 10 years ago. As far as I know, during all these years, it's all about the governing bodies introducing rules which make the Ferraris struggle and against their strengths.
If now, that continues, then good luck justifying any interest from the spectators. Everything has been known for years.
I'm a Ferrari fan. I didn't even mention this!
Damn.... has it been that long....
I just quickly played back the Channel 4 highlights....
So in Q2 Vettel was 0.3-0.4s faster than Mercedes (all who were on softs). Assuming no sandbagging on either side.
And Q3 Mercs on SS were 0.1s faster than Vettel.
And as someone mentioned. SS give 0.1s advantage (temperature dependent).
And they will all be starting on the softs tomorrow?
All correct so far?
So in Q2 Vettel was 0.3-0.4s faster than Mercedes (all who were on softs). Assuming no sandbagging on either side.
And Q3 Mercs on SS were 0.1s faster than Vettel.
And as someone mentioned. SS give 0.1s advantage (temperature dependent).
And they will all be starting on the softs tomorrow?
All correct so far?
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Haha, you really think the rules in the entire 10 years have been anti Ferrari? Most of ferraris struggles have been their own doing.
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yep going to v6 being one of them
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Ferrari weren't winning anything for years before that rule change.
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was winning way more races
Yeah. I think the drivers wondered this too by their expressions!
Not being a ferrari or Mercedes fan this endless bickering is no fun. No motive to join in!
Was glad sainz managed a good lap on the soft! Looking forward to Renault having better race pace and hulk getting points
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He's Davide Valsecchi, ex GP2 champion and Italian commentator (used as a co-commentator for F2 on the English feed).
I hate to go against you guys, but I think he's one of the most fun and infectious people in a sea of dreariness - he's brilliant!
Finally some pace? After last season's mediocrity, Bottas has been on really good form this season.
At the end of the V8 era, Ferrari were slip streaming their own cars at Monza, and taking grid penalties in the US to push Alonso onto the cleaner side of the track, just to try and compete. They didn't win a race in 2014.
Ferrari's slump started long before the V6 era.
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2014 was v6 era
2013 they won 2 races which is more than 14
V8
2006 9 wins
2007 9 wins
2008 8 wins
2009 1 win
2010 5 wins
2011 1 win
2012 3 wins
2013 2 wins
V6
2014 0 wins
2015 2 wins
2016 0 wins
2017 5 wins
0 seasons in the V8 era with 0 races won yet two in the v6 era
So, the last four years of V8 and the last four years of V6, there's really not much in it. 2010 was close, for the WDC at least after the 'Fernando is quicker than yaow' radio call. In 2011 Red Bull won the WCC with four races remaining, and Ferrari weren't the one closest to them (McLaren - heady days). 2012 was closer, but mostly because Vettel had three zero score races where he couldn't safely pass a back marker and his alternator failed a couple of times. 2013, Mercedes even beat Ferrari, in the last of the V8 years ahead of their V6 dominance.
In the V8 era, the trend was downwards. In the V6 era, it is the opposite.
Yes - 11 race wins in the last four V8 years vs 7 in the last four V6 years. Not 'way more' in my book, given the Mercedes dominance of V6 and nobody's ability to dominate the V8 from an power perspective.
In the V8 era, the trend was downwards. In the V6 era, it is the opposite.
Yes - 11 race wins in the last four V8 years vs 7 in the last four V6 years. Not 'way more' in my book, given the Mercedes dominance of V6 and nobody's ability to dominate the V8 from an power perspective.
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see V8 is better more balanced, also if you take out 2017 you would get 2 in 3 seasons
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I agree, very relevant to the Spanish Grand Prix 2018 
I’m happy that the top 3 are closer, it makes a change from one car driving off in to the distance. I was actually thinking Ferrari would nip pole today.
I’m happy that the top 3 are closer, it makes a change from one car driving off in to the distance. I was actually thinking Ferrari would nip pole today.
Like, taking out 2010 would get 6 in three seasons? Give over.
V8s arrived in 2006 and had an eight year run. Specification was frozen in 2007. If you want to look for reasons for Ferrari's failure for the past decade, there are more tangible elements to look at rather than 'it is an engine formula that Ferrari didn't want but decided to stay in the sport and still wanted to win so they had a go but didn't do as well as Mercedes and Renault, from time to time'.
Ferrari could have done what Mercedes sit in the V6 era and dominate, but they didn't do a good enough job. Ferrari could have done what Red Bull did in the V8 era, but they didn't do a good enough job. What we're essentially comparing is in what era did Ferrari fail at more. Given the stability of the V8 era and Ferrari's decline during that period, I happy to continue thinking that they're coping better today than they were five years ago.
V8s arrived in 2006 and had an eight year run. Specification was frozen in 2007. If you want to look for reasons for Ferrari's failure for the past decade, there are more tangible elements to look at rather than 'it is an engine formula that Ferrari didn't want but decided to stay in the sport and still wanted to win so they had a go but didn't do as well as Mercedes and Renault, from time to time'.
Ferrari could have done what Mercedes sit in the V6 era and dominate, but they didn't do a good enough job. Ferrari could have done what Red Bull did in the V8 era, but they didn't do a good enough job. What we're essentially comparing is in what era did Ferrari fail at more. Given the stability of the V8 era and Ferrari's decline during that period, I happy to continue thinking that they're coping better today than they were five years ago.
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6 in three = 2 per seson
2 in three = less than one per season
ferrari were competeing with redbull in the V8 era
2 in three = less than one per season
ferrari were competeing with redbull in the V8 era
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Imagine being a Ferrari fan and trying to make out there is a conspiracy against your team when they are the only team to get paid an exclusive £70m heritage bonus every season lol.
The people moaning about the change of tyres are halfwits as well. The decision to change them for three races (yes they are only being used for three out of 20 races...) was made towards the end of the second pre season test before the F1 season had even started. The design was built with feedback from all the teams, drivers and FIA.
But yeh it’s clearly all a conspiracy against Ferrari because FIA, Liberty Media etc don’t want their biggest brand winning titles. The absolute state of some people.
The people moaning about the change of tyres are halfwits as well. The decision to change them for three races (yes they are only being used for three out of 20 races...) was made towards the end of the second pre season test before the F1 season had even started. The design was built with feedback from all the teams, drivers and FIA.
But yeh it’s clearly all a conspiracy against Ferrari because FIA, Liberty Media etc don’t want their biggest brand winning titles. The absolute state of some people.
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