Spec me a CCTV System
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dont want this public
dont want this public
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What does a dashcam do except view/record public roads and people ?
Didn't see any thing in there that says its illegal /forbidden
Just that you should be aware of certain things
Reporters film things/people in public all the time
Places like shopping centres etc do it
Their cctv can reach beyond the boundaries of their property
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i cant argue with the house owners anyway, they dont want it there incase anything happens
so it has to go
so it has to go
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Police and court accepted my videos of the local crack head stealing lead off my roof no questions asked
Even though the footage shows neighbours gardens
I do actually have filters on so motion in their gardens doesn't set recording off anyway
But the police and courts only interest was I had very clear footage of him committing the crime
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I'm looking for 2 internal cameras (garage and study) and 1 external 1.
Im after audio for the internal, and free ability to record and watch online, no monthly subs.
Also the ability to filter external capture as it may record a tiny part of the road.
I've gone to amazon and found all sorts of options. Atm I'm leaning towards one called ipixo as it uses SD cards and can do the above, however you see good reviews and negative, and often I wonder if the good are from old people that don't realise what they could have got.
Ipixo comes to £100 plus SD cards for what I need. Seems pretty good price.
Any proven decent systems? I've seen yi have something and seem popular too?
Out of interest, how good can camera be at seeing through glass at night? I'm thinking a 3rd cmaera in the utility as its an access door and has a good view of part of the drive (where I park my car) however it'll be through a big glass sliding door so unsure how much reflection you'd end up with.
Im after audio for the internal, and free ability to record and watch online, no monthly subs.
Also the ability to filter external capture as it may record a tiny part of the road.
I've gone to amazon and found all sorts of options. Atm I'm leaning towards one called ipixo as it uses SD cards and can do the above, however you see good reviews and negative, and often I wonder if the good are from old people that don't realise what they could have got.
Ipixo comes to £100 plus SD cards for what I need. Seems pretty good price.
Any proven decent systems? I've seen yi have something and seem popular too?
Out of interest, how good can camera be at seeing through glass at night? I'm thinking a 3rd cmaera in the utility as its an access door and has a good view of part of the drive (where I park my car) however it'll be through a big glass sliding door so unsure how much reflection you'd end up with.
I was *considering* to upgrade my CCTV system from 2.0 mp cameras to 4k ones. Looking at 8 cameras here.
Basically I'm looking at a brand new setup *potentially* EXCEPT I wish to use the existing BNC cables that are chased articulately and out of sight in the walls...
Most of the newer camera systems seem to be using RJ45 connectors. Realistically what is the best choice I got to keep the existing cables?
Basically I'm looking at a brand new setup *potentially* EXCEPT I wish to use the existing BNC cables that are chased articulately and out of sight in the walls...
Most of the newer camera systems seem to be using RJ45 connectors. Realistically what is the best choice I got to keep the existing cables?
Honestly, I wouldn't bother keeping them. But if you do, Swann might have something better than you already have, they're still chruning out BNC options.
Depending on how the current system is fitted however, could you not use the existing BNC as a draw wire for CAT5e/6 cable replacement?
You can get 8MP (Essentially 4k) BNC Cameras:
https://www.cctv-global.co.uk/cameras/8mphdanalogue/dome-1
although you may need an appropriate DVR to support the newer standards
https://www.cctv-global.co.uk/cameras/8mphdanalogue/dome-1
although you may need an appropriate DVR to support the newer standards
Issue is that it'll likely be 8FPS and quality a far cry from IP alternative.
Edit: 12FPS, a bit better, providing the DVR supports it.
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This is not as simple as it seems. Your CCTV system must be approved by the Information Commissioner's Office. I KNOW no-one does it, but it's a fact. You have to have a justifiable reason for having one. Even if the system only records on your property you must put up obvious signs to warn people that CCTV is in operation. You may not carry out surveillance on anything public without a REALLY good reason. Any decent CCTV system has privacy zones and you just mask out anything public you don't want recorded. Printouts showing these masked off areas can go in your submission dossier to the ICO when you request approval to operate a CCTV system. You have to have a good reason why you are storing the recorded images for the length of time you are. For example, there are times when there is no-one in our house for 3-4 weeks. So it is completely reasonable to store images for 5 weeks and then delete them.
There are also legal obligations about permitting valid requests for access to the footage. This can be from law enforcement, the public - all sorts of reasons. And one of my favourites is that the time-stamp must be accurate. You also have to have an SIA CCTV Operators Licence to extract footage from a CCTV system if it is to be used as evidence. Some people who live near us were burgled and the police asked for any recordings we had of the time in question. They were genuinely shocked when I presented with duplicate separate USB keys for each camera in sealed evidence bags timed, dated and signed in duplicate. Because no-one follows the rules on these things.
I do these applications for every new CCTV system we install and they're a proper headache. But if you want a properly legal CCTV system, it's required.
If you're not prepared to put up with the nonsense that goes with CCTV, then it probably is better to just take it down.
I would need a new dvr for certain
pic quality isnt great
Atm but good to know i got bnc options too
would love rj45 and connect it to my nas one day maybe
I disagree. While I mainly install IP CCTV systems there is nothing wrong with HDCVI (BNC) systems. As @Armageus pointed out, you can get cameras that record in very high quality at very high frame rates over HDCVI connections. And the DVRs have every feature that an IP NVR has. And there is an argument that it's much better from a security point of view because you can't hack individual cameras, just the DVR.
Take these two 2020 model Dahua cameras. This one is HDCVI
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/productDetail/20307?us
And this one is IP
https://www.dahuasecurity.com/produ...k-Cameras/Lite-Series/8-MP/IPC-HDW2831T-ZS-S2
The optics and processing are identical. Only the transport mechanism back to the recorder is different.
Both record 8MP (4K) video in full colour at 15fps and have a 2.7-13.5mm optical zoom and a 40m IR night-time range.
Dahua also do full-colour in darkness cameras (like Hikvision's DarkFighter range) in HDCVI because it just as easy to swap an HDCVI camera as an IP camera.
What is the cost of a 3 camera 4K system that records locally (don’t like the idea of sending to the cloud) and can be viewed from a mobile?
Would love wiring to be kept to the minimum.
Do the Dahua cameras in the post above move and track?
Also, is there such a system that can also send the video to another location to be stored (not the cloud) but say a mates house?
Would love wiring to be kept to the minimum.
Do the Dahua cameras in the post above move and track?
Also, is there such a system that can also send the video to another location to be stored (not the cloud) but say a mates house?
Assuming he has decent cable with a sensible run It’s still analogue and isn’t going to be a crisp image, it’ll have noise.
Worth giving it a go with a camera if compatible for sure though, I know cabling for CCTV can be a bitch. But in my mind, if it needs upgrading, may as well move onto a modern infrastructure and be good years down the line.
Do you want IP or HDCVI? For the cameras I linked to, IP would be about £600+VAT, HDCVI would be about £500+VAT. But that doesn’t include installation.
Yes. You just need enough to reach each camera. Or there are 4G/LTE options available. But bear in mind they must be powered and the easiest way to do that is over the video feed cable whether that’s HDCVI or PoE.
No, zoom only. If you want full Pan/Tilt/Zoom at 4K then you’re looking at about £800 per camera, 2MP full PTZ is about £275 these days and 4MP PTZ with auto-track is about £400 or £500 with 4G built-in. But then you’re talking about 25-50x optical zoom and features that wouldn’t be out of place in spy films.
Yes, any Dahua DVR or NVR will do that via VPN link. Hikvision also have very similar products.
HDCVI is the same digital image from the same sensor in both cases. It just passes through an A/D converter and down the cable. And that cable can be CAT6 if you want, it doesn’t have to be CO-AX. And when it gets to the receiver it turned back into a digital image. No noise. Same quality image. Guaranteed. And bear in mind that HDCVI doesn’t suffer from latency like IP does. When it happens - you see it. Not 1-3 seconds later like on most IP cams.
HDCVI is still the camera technology of choice in most places where they need low-latency feeds and they’re worried about interruption. Casinos, banks, police stations, court rooms, military establishments. There will be HDCVI in use for years to come. Please check out the Dahua website. Pretty much every camera they make in IP form is also available in HDCVI. It’s as cutting edge as IP.
so are you telling me that the BNC cameras and cables that I already have is the same technology that both banks and casinos use in 2020?!
perhaps I should look for a new BNC system for a like for like swap
Anything in mind?
Its impossible to say what technology you have but if you have coaxial cable then yes, potentially you could upgrade your existing cable network to modern cameras and DVR. And I have to be very careful not to breach any forum rules about pitching for work on here. So I’ll leave it at ‘equipment is available’.
fair enough.
i did not realise that BNC cables still have an important place in the CCTV world
most systems are now using networking cable.