Spec me a CCTV System

The H265 shouldn't be an issue as (I think) all Hikvision cameras support h264 (in the same way as older cameras supported MJPEG with h264 already present. Make sure it supports Onvif.

When buying cams from far eastern sources, as others said, be aware that many of them are not upgradable through regular channels (they are often the "branded for internal market"/"OEM night shift on production line" version) and some might be lacking English language and/or features.
 
^^^^^^ I see your first post from around September and I would have thought that you would have read this entire thread which would have given some information regarding brands and suppliers which are favoured here....? You can also note models of NVR's and cameras, and sample images, to give you some idea of their capability.
Typically that means Hikvision and AiExpress.
Of course there are risks when dealing with imports such as warranties etc but money savings can be considerable.

The NVR you noted seems pretty good with 64Mbps maximum recording capacity (mine is 40) and a 100w for the POE capacity.
With six IP cameras I manage to have just under 39Mbps for recording and around 36w usage at night with the infrared on for the cameras from the separate Netgear POE switch I use.

External lighting, as noted, is going to be a big deterrent as well as a necessity for any meaningful night images from your chosen cameras. The "meaningful" is about images that will be useful for the police in identification and then accepted by the courts to be useful to convict the scrotes.
As well as external lighting as a visible deterrent and a aid for your cameras I would look to additional infra red lighting to boost that of the cameras.

I would not be sure how well a Samsung NVR would work with all the features any Hikvision camera could offer and the NVR support it.....?

I record 24/7 on all six cameras (10TB of WD Purple HD's) with tagged motion events for easy review of VCA events, as they are called when using the Hikvision software.

Dues to the size of the building and land, as well as the low ambient light, I would not be too concerned about much recordable information at a distance but more bothered about what is recorded when you get to a "inner perimeter" of your buildings. Even in good daylight 3MP or 4MP Hikvision cameras at a high bitrate aren't going to be that useful over such a distance, and your ambient light (even supplemented) is also going to be low. Then as the intruders move closer the value of having anything over a 2.8mm, 4mm or 6mm lens diminishes and will work against you as they near the buildings. Also the light needed by the greater zoom will mean you will record shadows and silhouettes most of the time. It is always a trade off with the bitrate (inc VBR or constant), resolution, FPS, exposure time (around 1/25" or 1/50"), backilght, white balance, smoothing etc etc etc and the image quality, noise and artifacts at night to give you a good image free from such problems - but to do that and try and cover the land you own might need the advice of some security firms who deal with situations similar to your own..........

I would suggest getting a couple of quotes from some security companies to help you with ideas and to also see what they would recommend, considering the size of the property and it doesn't seem to be enclosed, with low ambient l
light at night. The solitude also could add to the security concerns.


Thanks for the response.

Regards to reading the whole of the thread, I did make the effort to try and gleam what info I could, but there are so many different cameras etc. that it still didn't quite help out in understanding what would be correct for our setup. Most of he IP cameras etc. are a few £££ so I didn't want to rush out and spend money on something I had no clear understanding on.

Looking at the NVR, would it be better to match HIKvision cameras with there own NVR kit? They seem to be slightly cheaper than the Samsung (and some slightly lower spec's) but if compatibility will be a question, I would rather avoid the hassle and match the kit up.

I've updated my image with the position of our existing external lighting.
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1) The front right corner of the house has an LED flood light pointing towards the gate. The front door also has a smaller PIR light.

2) On the WW2 bunker at the front, there is a lamp post with 3x senor lights that come on (and stay on) at night.
There is also a large LED flood light pointing towards the lane (this is a private land approx. 50m to the main road which is only used by us and the two other owners of the fields and stable to the left of our house).
Last, but not least, there is a further large LED flood light on the left of the bunker facing towards the field but was setup before we had purchased this land so doesn't really light up that area.

3) There is a smaller LED flood light on the garage pointing towards the main gate.

4) Flood light (can't remember if LED) on the rear of the house facing the back garden.

No current lighting setup that over looks the field, though we will look to get a flood light in place.

Further to the setup at home, my father is also looking to replace an older CCTV setup at his restaurant (unfortunately the old kit was cheap unbranded Chinese kit that he had installed by some cowboy before I knew). It stopped working last year after the electric tripped so needs replacing. The shop had 4 internal dome cameras that covered the length of the shop, front door and till area. The HDD recorder was hidden in the false ceiling but another location would probably be better for a new system.
 
I would use 2.8mm cameras in all those red locations, just to have wide angle everywhere, for the outbuilding to the right of the main house U would mount in on the far corner overlooking side wall (not sure if there are any points of entry), anything from the north most front line of the building will be covered by the cams on the front wall. NVR of your choice has 8 channels, that allows you to maybe add one extra camera looking from one of the corners along the north front and split west view over field into two cameras, if that's any safety concern.

Most modern Hikvision cameras these days have customisable "crossed line" for alarms in addition to motion detection within a zone, this helps a lot in larger areas. I wouldn't worry about compatibility with Samsung too much, as long as you pick relatively modern Onvif S profile cameras, you should be fine - instead pick NVR that will allow you to mount as many largest drives inside and outside as possible, you will have a lot of stuff to capture.

However, if you can hold for few months, if you wait until summer/autumn, for h265 NVRs to filter through onto European market models (I think I'm right when I say current versions of Hikvision h265 NVR software is only available in the hard to upgrade later internal chinese market products like DS-7608NI-I2) - you'll end up with newer cameras, lower bitrates across network and much more bang for buck in terms of recording space.
 
Does anyone know if the TP-LINK TL-POE200 Power over Ethernet Adapter Kit will work with the HiKvision cameras?

it states it's
What This Product Does

The TL-POE200 is designed to deliver power and data over a single Ethernet cable to an Ethernet enabled device up to 100m away. The PoE kit uses two devices, one, the ´injector´ injects power and data into a single Ethernet cable while the other, the ´splitter´ placed at the receiving end splits the power and data back into two cables to be used by the connected Ethernet device. This convenience allows users to place Ethernet enabled devices such as access points, IP cameras, or VoIP phones anywhere that they are best suited, regardless of whether a power socket is available, to achieve the best performance for the connected devices.

*TP-LINK‘s TL-POE200 uses widely adopted PoE technology in the industry and provides more cost-effective PoE solution. It is highly recommended not to pair the PoE products with other PoE adapters unless under professional guidance.

Features

∙ Delivers power and data through a single Ethernet cable for simple network extension

∙ Transmits power & data over an Ethernet cable up to 100m(328 feet) away

∙ Plug and play design provides a hassle free setup

∙ 12/9/5VDC triple output adapts to different Ethernet-enable devices

I've ordered the cameras but need a POE injector for the one in the garage.
 
The type of POE Injector that I know of looks like this....




and can be bought for around £2.50 - cheaper in bulk, from eBay.

With that you could buy a 48v DC PSU which is good enough for the cameras you think that you will need - around 6w each at night with IR on, and then a pig tail adaptor for the PSU so that it can connect to the 5.5 /2.1mm input of that and other adaptors you could buy.

That way the Ethernet is carrying both data and power along its length.

At the time of my installation I did not know about the above but I'm still glad that I bought.....



as I know that the power distribution and connection can be monitored as I can log into the POE switch and I can also reset the power to the cameras remotely as I guarantee one day one or more will require to be reset.

That way is more "elegant" and easier to wire and much cleaner, imo.

However since I bought the Netgear POE switch Aliexpress now stock their own which seem just as capable, although I have not used them.

Just ensure that if you went for a POE type switch that it can deliver enough watts for all the cameras you intend to add - I have six and I could power another, the eight connection is used to connect the switch and all the cams to the NVR.

Remember that if you are using a NVR that should have POE ports, the number depends on the model.

Tempting I know but do not order too much stuff at once from Ali - as noted previously a max of two cams at a time seems ok to get safe passage through customs, ensure tha tyou chat with them first about gift and price marking.
 
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I would use 2.8mm cameras in all those red locations, just to have wide angle everywhere, for the outbuilding to the right of the main house U would mount in on the far corner overlooking side wall (not sure if there are any points of entry), anything from the north most front line of the building will be covered by the cams on the front wall. NVR of your choice has 8 channels, that allows you to maybe add one extra camera looking from one of the corners along the north front and split west view over field into two cameras, if that's any safety concern.

Most modern Hikvision cameras these days have customisable "crossed line" for alarms in addition to motion detection within a zone, this helps a lot in larger areas. I wouldn't worry about compatibility with Samsung too much, as long as you pick relatively modern Onvif S profile cameras, you should be fine - instead pick NVR that will allow you to mount as many largest drives inside and outside as possible, you will have a lot of stuff to capture.

However, if you can hold for few months, if you wait until summer/autumn, for h265 NVRs to filter through onto European market models (I think I'm right when I say current versions of Hikvision h265 NVR software is only available in the hard to upgrade later internal chinese market products like DS-7608NI-I2) - you'll end up with newer cameras, lower bitrates across network and much more bang for buck in terms of recording space.

The camera overlooking the field on the left of the house will be more for keeping an eye on our dogs when they are outside. The camera is likely to be mounted at the top of the house on the side of the chimney to give it an unimpeded view over the field.

The outbuilding at the right of the house is our garage. There is a gated path that goes between the house and garage to the back garden. If a camera was mounted on the garage then it will be higher up that the side of the house (chalet bungalow - the roof is sloped alongside the garage but full height wall slightly further forward towards the gate).

Regarding types of camera, I was thinking that the locations at the front and rear of the house would be dome (mounted underneath the guttering) and then bullet cameras on the left side of the house and garage.

With regards to waiting until summer/autumn for the newer h265 to reach Europe, for the house setup this is possible, for my father's restaurant however, he's wanting something in asap.

I had a quick look at getting one/two of these as an interim measure to mount in the restaurant (internal).
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016...one-and-Speaker-Two-Way-talk/32598624653.html

It has a microphone so he can both see and hear what's going on (plus a speaker if he wishes to talk), microsd storage (so can wait for newer NVRs when getting full kit) and is suitable for the distance from the rear counter to the front of the shop (approx. 11m). If I get two then I can mount them back to back facing each way.
 
for my father's restaurant however, he's wanting something in asap.

I had a quick look at getting one/two of these as an interim measure to mount in the restaurant (internal).
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2016...one-and-Speaker-Two-Way-talk/32598624653.html

It has a microphone so he can both see and hear what's going on (plus a speaker if he wishes to talk), microsd storage (so can wait for newer NVRs when getting full kit) and is suitable for the distance from the rear counter to the front of the shop (approx. 11m). If I get two then I can mount them back to back facing each way.

This kind of stuff never really works on any larger scale than keeping an eye on your babysitter once a week. Internal SD means limited storage and file system file size limitation, which in turn means it can neither be set to continuous recording nor PIR in busy/high traffic environment and expect to store a lot of footage (with audio) for later viewing. No NVR means no processing power - it will struggle to motion detect, record, serve pages and play back on few hundred mhz of some old knockoff chipset and few kbs of ram. Plus you will need to poke port forwarding holes in the router to get through to two separate cameras with some half baked, insecure in couple of months in-camera web pages from outside, or worse yet, some far eastern country based third party viewer with dodgy unsigned browser plugins that only work in IE or similar malarky.
 
I thought that the internal camera would be ok just for viewing online (with the option of using the microsd for basic recording at a low rate).

I've ordered one of the cameras that Werewolf linked to earlier for the time being to try out standalone. I will definitely need to get a system in place for my father's restaurant soon and that may mean having to skip h.265 kit.

 
I'm getting mightily confused in this thread and it's possible I don't fully understand the target/purpose for those systems. Is that non-upgradable version of 3345 camera you linked to for the restaurant? It doesn't have any internal storage, so live viewing only? Unless you have POE infrastructure in place dont' forget to get brick PSU for it. Also, if time is of the essence I wouldn't order from alibaba, it usually takes forever, like 30-40 days for things to arrive.
 
I am aware that the 3345 holds no internal storage and will need POE. I will likely test it just for live streaming at home first before I look to order anything else for the house setup.

I am planning to pick up at least 1 POE switch (for the restaurant setup) but likely to do the same at home (pending where I will need to run cables from - house already has cat5e wired to most rooms).

I've ordered from the same link and went with the DHL shipping option (which only cost a few £ extra after a coupon discount). It still works out at around half the price of any UK seller of the original HikVision kit that I can see.
 
Ah, so you just need live streaming from restaurant, without recording. Depending on whether you want to get the camera page or just video stream there will be some basic port forwarding (with the usual security stuff) and dyndns if broadband has dynamic IP. When testing the setup from outside, use mobile or second line, with most routers those cameras rarely react correctly to internal-NAT->external->back to NAT kind of thing when request originates from the same IP range.

There is a reason why those cameras cost half the price, they are some sort of weird internal Chinese market factory OEM thing, where they are technically not Hikvision (notice there is not a single mention of the brand on the page itself), they just use the same hardware design, usually made on the same assembly line outside of regular batches for internal market and flashed with specific version of "patched" firmware on top of chinese firmware. They are usually non upgradable in the future (or upgradable but revert to mandarin or have to be patched with similarly specific firmware or via header stripping via tftp etc), often entire batches don't or are not fully working with european NVRs - anyway - I'm not dissing - buck is a buck - if the seller is responsible there should be a disclaimer about compatibilities/do's and don'ts either on the page or with the camera when it arrives.
 
I ended up ordering from CCTVkits for the first two cameras and NVR as there was another attempt into a neighbours garden so getting the cameras fast trumped cheap.

I've only had a little play with them, but so far I'm pretty impressed, the quality in normal light is great, and whilst at night it isn't brilliant, I've yet to put lighting out the front (and my tests were with someone holding the camera at night).
 
^^^^ good for you :)

Play around a little with the camera settings (by logging into each directly and not via the NVR). If things / people etc are not moving across the cameras image might blur with too slow a shutter speed. But at the rear of the house my cameras would pick up movement moving towards and away rather than across and so a slower exposure is fine - better for low light.

Smoothing, exposure, FPS, backlight, noise reduction etc etc all help.

Exterior lighting and additional IR works wonders though.
 
aye, I'll give that a go :)
I'm still waiting for the hard drive for the recorder (I bunged an ancient 160gb drive in it for testing), so haven't done much, but I'm going to have a good play over the weekend :)
I suspect the rear/garage camera will get fitted first as that's the one that should be easiest to position as it's basically drilling the holes in the garage brickwork (about 8 foot up).
The front is slightly trickier and I need to sort out a suitable IR light, most of the ones I've found seem to have poor reviews, or poor angles (I think I need a flood light type).

I can't get the hikvision apps to work properly on the tablet at the moment (no plug in or something on the video), but having fun with the NVR.

Cheers for the help as I would likely have gone with something far inferior and about as expensive otherwise:)
 
You are welcome.

IVMS 4500 HD is the app I use for Android viewing of the cameras.

As I saw you mentioned 8 foot in height I'm glad that you are not going too high otherwise you'll just capture male pattern baldness vids.!

A discreet low level cam is something to consider to capture peoples faces, as sometimes they do not see that if they keep their heads down.

The last two caught on mine looked directly into the camera, nice.!
 
Aye I've tried the app but not had much luck yet, I've downloaded the hikvision tools so I'll try them later and actually (don't faint!) read the manuals :)

I've not really had much time/energy/concentration for it, so I'm probably missing something blindingly obvious :)
 
Port forwarding might be your friend.
SADP tool for modifying IP address etc of cameras.
Manuals are for girlies.
 
LOL

Aye, I just downloaded the hiktools and adjusted the camera IP so it's now visible :)

Definitely playing with it over the weekend, I've been told "the freezer needs defrosting doesn't it", now I'm not sure but that may have been a hint as to what I'm doing tomorrow evening.
 
And I'm officially an idiot.

Unplugged the NVR Wednesday/Thuirsday, put in a new hard drive today (I'd had it running with an ancient one for testing).

I can't get the admin password right!
I've tried the default password 12345
I've tried the password I changed it to (and about a dozen variations) but can't log into it now as my password is wrong, which is odd and very annoying (I logged into the bvr via my tablet before powering it off the other day).

I've tried swapping the old hard drive back in and can't it right with that either.
 
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