Spec me an economical car.. please..
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Well with the new car I should be doing around 12,000-13,000 a year max.
I have worked out that it's around a £400 saving per year in fuel alone for a diesel doing 12k miles using the following:
Petrol - £1.35 per litre
Diesel - £1.41 per litre
(The above are based on the highest prices in my area)
Petrol MPG - 38
Diesel MPG - 55
(The above are rough guesses?)
Yearly petrol - £1,939.74
Yearly diesel - £1,399.75
Hmm.. I guess depending on the repair costs/servicing costs etc (which I have no clue about regarding diesels) it wouldn't work out that much cheaper if at all.. suppose you are right
Petrol - £1.35 per litre
Diesel - £1.41 per litre
(The above are based on the highest prices in my area)
Petrol MPG - 38
Diesel MPG - 55
(The above are rough guesses?)
Yearly petrol - £1,939.74
Yearly diesel - £1,399.75
Hmm.. I guess depending on the repair costs/servicing costs etc (which I have no clue about regarding diesels) it wouldn't work out that much cheaper if at all.. suppose you are right
Plus you usually have to pay more for a diesel as everyone goes "ZOMG MUST GET A SMALL DIESEL FOR TEH MPGZ" much like you've done - except you've worked it out.
A well looked after 1.25 Fiesta, 1.2 Punto or similiar should do more than 38MPG all day as well.
A well looked after 1.25 Fiesta, 1.2 Punto or similiar should do more than 38MPG all day as well.
Don
What you really need to do is find a car you like, then look at the petrol alternative and do the maths.
Diesels cost more generally speaking. A loose example:
A 2.0 Ford Focus (petrol) 7-8 years old will cost 2000
A 2.0 Ford Focus (Deisel) 7-8 years old will cost 2500.
You said y ou'd see a 400 pound saving above, well you wouldn't even break even, as it costs 500 more to purchase. (the figures are completely made up - for info and to stop scrutiny)
Hope you get the point.
Diesels cost more generally speaking. A loose example:
A 2.0 Ford Focus (petrol) 7-8 years old will cost 2000
A 2.0 Ford Focus (Deisel) 7-8 years old will cost 2500.
You said y ou'd see a 400 pound saving above, well you wouldn't even break even, as it costs 500 more to purchase. (the figures are completely made up - for info and to stop scrutiny)
Hope you get the point.
I used to have a mk2b 1.2 8v (slow as but still) and I used to get 42-45mpg around town and 55+ on the motorway. Was rediculously cheap to run.
Don
Also, make sure that you're aware that you will be taking a step down from what you have now. It won't be as comfortable as even an older BMW, and probably not as nice to drive.
You have to weigh up everything to make a proper informed decision.
You have to weigh up everything to make a proper informed decision.
I got anywhere between 46mpg and 50mpg on my town journeys.
Saw 64mpg on an empty 2 hour motorway journey once.
Cost me £0 in repairs over 8 years of ownership in our family and the only thing we did was service it and replace servicable parts when needed.
I'd buy one over a Fiesta cause I think they look nicer and I know them, but I'd imagine the same applies to the 1.25 Fiesta and that's why they get such a good reputation around here.
Why not get an lpg car i have one astra and does better fuel economy than my cousins VW Bora.
When i first got my lpg car it was about £23 to fill the tank and that did between 250 to 300 miles to a tank. Lpg has gone up in price now so costs more to fill the tank.
When i first got my lpg car it was about £23 to fill the tank and that did between 250 to 300 miles to a tank. Lpg has gone up in price now so costs more to fill the tank.
Associate
Interesting thread!
I am 20 and do probably 35 miles of dual carriageway driving a day and 5 miles of town / slow moving traffic a day. I get on average about 28-31mpg from a 1.4 16v Rover 200.
I've been thinking about getting a diesel for the better fuel consumption as I have found some cheapish cars that I thought fit the bill 1.5 dci Megane, only £30 a year tax, 50mpg+ for around £1200 (my budget). What if I looked at cheaper diesels that were a bit older and perhaps cheaper with parts? Would diesel be worth it then? I want a bigger, more comfortable car that is cheap on fuel basically. Not fussed diesel or petrol as long as it is economical. Would only take a smaller car if it was some Japanese Kei style car or something.
Also 30mpg from a 523i? Seems pretty worth it considering you then get space and comfort. I get that from a shoddy old Rover. And at 19 too, your insurer must love you.
I am 20 and do probably 35 miles of dual carriageway driving a day and 5 miles of town / slow moving traffic a day. I get on average about 28-31mpg from a 1.4 16v Rover 200.
I've been thinking about getting a diesel for the better fuel consumption as I have found some cheapish cars that I thought fit the bill 1.5 dci Megane, only £30 a year tax, 50mpg+ for around £1200 (my budget). What if I looked at cheaper diesels that were a bit older and perhaps cheaper with parts? Would diesel be worth it then? I want a bigger, more comfortable car that is cheap on fuel basically. Not fussed diesel or petrol as long as it is economical. Would only take a smaller car if it was some Japanese Kei style car or something.
Also 30mpg from a 523i? Seems pretty worth it considering you then get space and comfort. I get that from a shoddy old Rover. And at 19 too, your insurer must love you.
Soldato
I would rather stare at my Dad's balls for the rest of this month than put £1200 down on a 1.5 diesel Megane. You wouldn't get 50mpg out of it on a 5 mile stop/start run. 35-40 tops. Plus theres the relibility issues which will more than negate the OMG £30 TAX!!11 saving.
If your 200 is reliable, I'd keep it and save up. Selling your Mac would almost double your budget
If your 200 is reliable, I'd keep it and save up. Selling your Mac would almost double your budget
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Associate
Well the Megane was just one of many cars I looked at. I really have no idea about cars like this as generally I have no interest in them. But sadly have to be if I want to be able to afford to run a car for the next year.
The Rover is on it's last legs, hence needing the change. Clutch is going, brakes are getting worse, head gasket on its way out again. I'd rather buy another car than pump more money into it.
You got any suggestions then?
the diesel vs petrol purchase cost does not count on cars under 5k so your blowing smoke out of your ***
Where on earth did you pull this from? At what garage does a 2l diesel cost more to service than a 2l petrol?
Again, show me somewhere that shows for a fact that a diesel car doing the same milage as a petrol car goes wrong more frequently?
4p Per litre more on average, even if the op gets a care giving a mere 1mpg better in a diesel then the extra 4p per litre is paid for?
@ OP
buy a diesel it wont cost much to run people have this idea that to buy a diesel car it costs a minimum of a grand extra to buy the car this may be true buying a brand new or nearly new car but not on somthing for 3.5 > 4k
Aleksandrs you are in the same boat as the op, a diesel would save you money so ignore the "dont get a diesel or you will die" comments
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Of course it does.
Lets ask this months latest edition of Glass's Guide how much you'd need to buy, say, a 2004 Focus 1.6 petrol. Then we'll ask it how much we need to buy a 2004 Focus 1.8 TDCi.
Cheap cars, right?
Focus 1.6 Zetec 5dr, 63k, £4350 retail.
Focus 1.6 TDCi Zetec 5dr, 63k, £4975 retail.
There we go - two COMPLETELY identical cars. Same age. Same spec. Same trim level. Same everything - just one is diesel one is petrol. The diesel has a value thats £600 higher.
So blow that smoke.
Oh, and based on both cars combined consumption figures and an annual mileage of 10,000 miles a year, the diesel would only save you £350 a year on fuel alone. Thats before we open the reliability can of worms.
Soldato
Under 2k and you may have a point. 5k? Nah.
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Beaten comprehensively by Fox. That's what you get for having 6 tabs open.
[TW]Fox;18683028 said:
yeah because every car is for sale at the exact glasses price isnt it?
what world do you live in?
dont google answers to put me down like you do the rest of the motors section fox
not EVERY car sold is sold at glasses prices, infact very few are. its about shopping around, and no fox not every cheap car is a nail like you try and tell everyone
second hand car prices are not set in stone, for every link you give me of a diesel car identical cheaper in the petrol version i can give you the opposite so the glasses prices are pointless
the op is looking for real world answers not text book ones but the sad fact is you dont have them because you only knw how to google the answers
im sick of this section of the forum getting filled with the garbage that escapes your keyboard
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No, it's not. Lots of things determinate the price a car eventually sells for. But the figures in Glass's can give us a baseline - it clearly demonstrates that, like for like, a diesel is worth more than a petrol. It doesnt tell us that if we want a Focus it will cost us exactly £4975. But it does indicate that if we want a Focus diesel we should expect to pay about 15% more for it than if we wanted a Focus petrol of the same sort of age, mileage and condition.
Why wouldnt a diesel be worth more than a petrol? It's simple supply and demand - more people want a Focus diesel than a Focus petrol so its hardly suprising that the diesel version is worth more.
Why would anyone pay MORE for a petrol? They wouldn't, and they don't.
Try and google Glass's retail prices if you want but you'll be there a long time because it isnt on Google.
I think I've pretty much addressed this in my response above - but like for like, the diesel version sells for more. You've already admitted they cost more new and cost more nearly new so if you think they dont cost any more by the time they are sub £5k are you telling us then that diesel cars depreciate more than petrol cars? Is that what you think?
You can shop around, sure. You can shop around and find a diesel thats a pretty good deal, perhaps the same as you'd expect for a petrol. But if you can do that you can do the same with a petrol as well and find it even cheaper. It's basic economics isn't it - less people want a petrol one, so they cost less.
My input on this thread is not from Google.
Seriously, you've just crafted the above masterpeice and you think it's ME thats filling this forum with garbage? Really?
I'm more than happy to debate this with you if you can do it without just turning into a silly personal attack filled fight.
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how am i personaly attacking you?
you statred that because glasses says the diesel varient is more expencive then all focus 1.6 diesel's MUST cost more than a petrol, not to mention the 1.6 tdci is a better all round car than the 1.6 petrol version so how is it even like for like?
here you go
http://www.virtual-showroom.co.uk/s...=vauxhall&laf=vauxhall&nuvvpath=b&sessionid=0
glasses prices, i used google to get them
and what im syaing is, by the time the car becomes sub 5k, you can find a diesel for the same price as a petrol regardles and you are saying im wrong and you jump up with glasses prices to prove me wrong......
you statred that because glasses says the diesel varient is more expencive then all focus 1.6 diesel's MUST cost more than a petrol, not to mention the 1.6 tdci is a better all round car than the 1.6 petrol version so how is it even like for like?
here you go
http://www.virtual-showroom.co.uk/s...=vauxhall&laf=vauxhall&nuvvpath=b&sessionid=0
glasses prices, i used google to get them
and what im syaing is, by the time the car becomes sub 5k, you can find a diesel for the same price as a petrol regardles and you are saying im wrong and you jump up with glasses prices to prove me wrong......
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