Spec me an economical car.. please..

Cupra said:
go on then find one and unlike you i dont care what colour it is
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Whats the point? You keep demonstrating time and time again you don't really seem to get what is being said here. You've just done it again with the colour thing, surely you know that colour affects value?

Seriously, you accuse me of getting all my knowledge from 'google' (Which isnt the case) yet you seem completely oblivious to what factors affect the value of used cars yourself. Which is fine, it's quite a boring subject anyway but... why argue about it if thats the case?
 
ok fox, if you dont get your knowledge from google where do you get it from?

as im looking very hard here to see these cheaper 2007 1.6 lx cars you keep saying exist?

yes i know colour affects value so does a lot of things, so suerly you can atleast find a 2007 1.6 banger thats cheaper for me?

i dont care what dealer you use either, but the advert must be on auto trader
 
Cupra said:
ok fox, if you dont get your knowledge from google where do you get it from?
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I've already told you that the values I gave that started this came from the current edition of Glass's Guide.

as im looking very hard here to see these cheaper 2007 1.6 lx cars you keep saying exist?
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You've gone and found a ridiculously cheap diesel, in white. There is almost certainly something odd about it hence the very cheap price.

You now seem convinced that because I can't now go and find a similar nail with a petrol engine, you've proved your point.

This is completely pointless as all you'll do is sift sediment from the bottom of the pond. You can't prove car values by using autotrader adverts. This is why I took baseline figures from Glass's in the first place!

so suerly you can atleast find a 2007 1.6 banger thats cheaper for me?
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Whats the point? You've found a car thats almost a thousand quid less than the value you'd expect at auction - for reasons none of us can know without seeing it - so no, I can't find a cheaper car than that, because you've found a bizarrely cheap one.

There you go, pretend you win.
 
[TW]Fox;18684612 said:
I've already told you that the values I gave that started this came from the current edition of Glass's Guide.



You've gone and found a ridiculously cheap diesel, in white. There is almost certainly something odd about it hence the very cheap price.

You now seem convinced that because I can't now go and find a similar nail with a petrol engine, you've proved your point.

This is completely pointless as all you'll do is sift sediment from the bottom of the pond. You can't prove car values by using autotrader adverts. This is why I took baseline figures from Glass's in the first place!
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of course you c an value cars from auto trader adverts, using averages,
as thats acctual cars for sale, not just a number in a book or on a website?

how can you honestly think that a value of a car isnt how much it sells for?
that is a value of a car there is no other value thats it how much someone will pay for it

I honestly think you need to "google" the word guide to see what glasses "Guide" actually means

do we need the supply and demend conversation again fox?


look fox, thats it for me, this is getting a lot more like trolling and a lot less about the fact that its cheaper for the op to use a diesel if he shops around for a cheap one
 
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Cupra said:
of course you c an value cars from auto trader adverts, using averages,
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You've used averages? Oh, my mistake. I thought you'd just plucked the cheapest one you could find out.

as thats acctual cars for sale, not just a number in a book or on a website?
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And where do you think the number in the book comes from? Why do you think almost every car dealer in the UK spends often THOUSANDS OF POUNDS buying the commercial data that you are dismissing as useless?

The key point, the point I've tried so hard to get you to understand, is that it isn't the absolute value that was useful and indicative in this thread, it's the DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE TWO VALUES. It explains something about the market. Something links to white ex-fleet cars for 700 quid under trade don't.

do we need the supply and demend conversation again fox?
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We probably do, as you didn't get it, but it's a bit of a lost cause.

look fox, thats it for me, this is getting a lot more like trolling and a lot less about the fact that its cheaper for the op to use a diesel if he shops around for a cheap one
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a) Seriously? You just called me out for TROLLING in this thread where I've done nothing but provide useful and FACTUAL information to aid the OP, against a barrage of irrelevent comments, aggresive remarks and silly examples from you?

You think *I* am trolling? You are the one who constantly and desperately trying to undermine what i post by pretending it comes from Google.

I'm quite happy to end this here if you wish and I'm confident that it's pretty clear to any casual reader of the exchanges we've had over the past few hours who was being unreasonable and who wasn't.
 
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Jesus, what a load of bickering.

OMGZ return on purchase price over fuel savings, you don't break even.
Keep it for another year then and you are into profit after the first year.

Maintenance costs on a sub 3k diesel car are no more expensive than any equivalent petrol one. If anything I'd say it's less because there is LESS to go wrong.
By that I mean pre common rail diesels.
Half you are like OMGZ it haz turbo it must fail. Get a grip.
Buy one without a turbo if you're that fussed.
If anything a petrol turbocharger will fail more often than a diesel one.

You're 19, get an old Mondeo diesel or a 306 D-Turbo if you want something that looks slightly nicer.
It depends how ***** you are prepared to be to save some money. :D
 
Scubascorpion said:
Maintenance costs on a sub 3k diesel car are no more expensive than any equivalent petrol one. If anything I'd say it's less because there is LESS to go wrong.
By that I mean pre common rail diesels.
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I agree with you on pre-common rail diesels but sub 3k diesels are common-rail, you need to go to sub 800 quid diesels to go back to the pre common-rails.
 
Cupra:

Diesel cars cost on average more than petrol cars. It is a fact of the UK new and used vehicle market, like how an automatic transmission car is worth more than a manual car.

Glass's values reflect the state of the market and are calculated using a combination of knowledge of the market, observation at auctions, speaking with dealers, assessing huge amounts of data about actual sales, processing listings such as those on AutoTrader and eBay and other methods. Sure, a Glass's valuation isn't perfect, but the relationship between a vehicle's fuel type and it's price is firmly established - diesel vehicles are, like-for-like, more valuable.
 
Not all Common rail diesels are going to explode at the side of the road, look at the HDI engine, most do moon miles and lots are for sale with nearly 200k on the clock still going strong.

Turbo failures are usually caused by people who abuse their cars and turbo, not sticking to service schedules and using wrong grade of oil in the service, dealers and garages sometimes put the wrong oil in.

Injectors do fail yes, but there is many good diesel specialists out there that will correct this problem for a third the dealers price.

Egr valves clogging and failing IMO is also down to poor servicing and should be incorporated in the schedule anyway.

Some manufactures service schedules are set out too long and are sometimes cause of problems.
 
You can pick a nice 99 or earlier 306 D-Turbo up for £1500 ish.
The sub £800 stuff are just sheds with moon mileage. :D
 
Nitrojan if you don't mind smaller cars then i suggest you look at the 1.4 16v clio i manage to get 39 mpg commuting around London when im going easy.
Also the car handles well for what it is, and acceleration wise is one of the fastest NA 1.4s that you can get.
The book says 0-60 comes in 10.5 seconds but i've timed it to be a second quicker than that even with a passenger.
 
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