Spec me an economical car.. please..
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Soldato
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What?
Err how about a Focus 1.6 Zetec Climate and a Focus 1.6 TDCi Zetec Climate
Or are you going to be completely ridiculous and point out that because the diesel has a different instrument cluster and a different exhuast its a different car?
Most cars come in petrol and diesel form and are otherwise identical.
but if it must be identical milage and condition the better car will be more expencive so that normaly means the diesel as the case with the focus
diesel cars often have better gearbox, better suspension, better brakes all helping out with a better drive, so find me a car where the only diffrence is the engine and ill find 2 where the diesel is cheaper
the fact that in most cases a diesel will be "in life" longer than a petrol
so factoring this in a higer milage diesel vs lower milage petrol is fair
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Wait, are you just admitting the diesel is more expensive?
99% of Focus owners cannot tel you what gearbox is fitted to the car let alone which is rated for which torque output. You are being silly now.
You've gotta be joking - have you basically just changed your point to one which is now 'You can buy a higher mileage diesel for the same price as a lower mileage petrol?'
Soldato
[TW]Fox;18684101 said:
no im saying the diesel focus is a better car?
[TW]Fox;18684101 said:
How am i? its like compairing a 1.1 with a 1.6 and expecting them to be the same price and saying "its only the engine thats diffrent"
[TW]Fox;18684101 said:
the whole thing is a joke read through what ive typed, ive said from the start if you shop around and dont just jump into the first car you see then a diesel is no more expencive than a petrol for once under the 5 grand mark?
so this exercise is pointless because nobody says "im only going to buy a car from dealer x for the rest of my life meaning ill pay more for a diesel"
Soldato
The terms in which Fox and I have specified are not silly at all, you are being extremely anal though to try and prove your point, which is a waste of time.
Just got find as two equivalently specced cars on the same mileage, same age, same dealer etc. but one as petrol one as diesel...with the diesel being far cheaper...go on.
You realise that is EXACTLY how most people would see it?
Yes it is, find a diesel and a petrol of same spec etc. under £5k, which costs more?
why?
diesel cars are bought to do more miles in to start with i could understand your point if i said in my statment earlier from the same dealer but i never i said if you shop around?
but its wrong, and so is stating all diesel cars cost more than the same petrol one under 5 grand
No, thats a completely silly thing to say. The 1.6 is clearly a higher level of car.
We are discussing cars of the same level - the same trim level. It is the same, it just has a CHOICE OF ENGINES. The rest is the same. You dont get a 4 pot BBK on the diesel. It doesnt come with coilovers.
It's just a damn Focus! Only with a diesel engine. Any tweaks in spec are just that - tweaks, they wont even appear in the brochure.
Except this just isn't true. You could say the opposite as well, if you dont just jump into the first car you see then a petrol is cheaper.
Seriously, this line highlights why this is a complete waste of time. You seem to be operating on a different level to the rest of the thread. I can't beleive you've just written that.
The reason it was requested that you find two cars from the same dealer was not because 'some people only buy from one dealer' as you seem to think.
It's because if you do it that way, you rule out any external influences - ie, location, aftersales package, whatever - that might render the results inconclusive.
It's basic statistical analysis - always try and keep the amount of variables to a low.
I honestly cannot beleive you thought we were suggesting people would only buy from one dealer?! Just what?
Soldato
No, diesels are bought because of the MPG, a petrol will last just as long as a diesel, especially modern ones, as Fox has already said.
You're just digging yourself deeper into a hole you know you can't get out of.
You're just digging yourself deeper into a hole you know you can't get out of.
how am i in a hole? because im defending what i said?
have you even read what ive posted?
the fact is, i cba looking through dealers, we all know if i looked hard enough id find some but why should i waste my time when thats not what i said?
here we go
this is what i mean
2007 FORD FOCUS 1.6 TDCi LX 5dr Diesel Hatchback 75k miles
2007 FORD Focus 1.6 LX 79k miles
this is what i mean
2007 FORD FOCUS 1.6 TDCi LX 5dr Diesel Hatchback 75k miles
2007 FORD Focus 1.6 LX 79k miles
Great, so we have a white ex-fleet car being sold by a private bloke versus a better coloured example being sold by a car dealer.
I expected you to do exactly that - if thats the sort of logic you've been using to arrive at your conclusion that Glass's is 'rubbish' and that diesels are no more expensive than petrols then its hardly suprising you reached the conclusion you did.
That white one is ridiculously cheap and not indicative of the market in any way.
I expected you to do exactly that - if thats the sort of logic you've been using to arrive at your conclusion that Glass's is 'rubbish' and that diesels are no more expensive than petrols then its hardly suprising you reached the conclusion you did.
That white one is ridiculously cheap and not indicative of the market in any way.
can you or anyone on this forum honestly tell me they would buy the petrol car over the diesel?
the op is looking at saving money here, thats what this is all about!
i stated that if you shop around then the glasses guide is not set in stone, whats the glasses guide for these 2 cars fox?
the op is looking at saving money here, thats what this is all about!
i stated that if you shop around then the glasses guide is not set in stone, whats the glasses guide for these 2 cars fox?
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Whoa.. are we proceeding under the impression you actually think thats a sensible comparison?
Until you view that car you've no idea what its like. I suspect it will quickly become clear why that car is very cheap.
This is why my method of taking proper retail prices from Glass's - an industry authority - is far better than plucking random adverts from Autotrader. You've no idea what that car is like!
No, I'm saying that if you shop around you'd also find an even cheaper petrol worth buying for the OP.