Speed Cameras

[mortuzac]

thanks benST

 

[OpenToSuggestions]

It's just another stealth tax imo.

couldnt agree more
my mum hit a pothole (in the dark in an area without streetlamps)and needed a new tyre alloy and steering column (was one hell of a pothole I hell u!), totaling 900quid approx. 2 days later she goes back to take a foto to claim off the council, yet the potholes filled in. The council say 'it is policy is to check every 6 months that the road is clear' and wont except liability. Yet they filled the hole in as someone else had already complained the day before, so surely filling the hole in is accepting liability.
Yet if she drive around without road tax for a week they would catch and probably prosecute.So.... my parents claimed off their insurance for the alloy/tyre/steering column, which has now gone thru the roof as they had no no-claims as it was a new policy. rediculus

motorists have money, thats all the council/police care about, and they want it

 

[Tute]

Don't pay the fine. What are they gonna do? Send you to prison? Hang on... no room!

(This is a joke, I do NOT advise doing this)

 

[mortuzac]

well prison won't be a new thing for me...... last time i did 'bird' was for

'wearing a loud shirt in a built up area'

and

'having an offensive wife'

btw i'm joking

 

[Craig321]

I got caught the other day doing 46mph in a 40mph zone.

I was under the impression that they only prosecuted people who travel faster than 10% plus 2mph than the spped limit.

This equates to speeds of 47mph and over.

Should I just pay the fine or should I point this out to the cheif constable?

Just pay it.

My Mum got 3 points and I think a fine for going 32, yes, 32 in a 30 zone.

 

[cheets64]

You broke the speed limit and you broke the law, simple, take it on the chin.

I have broke the speed limit, got pulled by a copper with a gun and I **** myself, was even worse I was in a bus lane undertaking on Preston Road in Wigan, (doesnt sound that bad as the road is wide) he let me off I was doing 40 in a 30 and its always made me take it easy I mean speeding doesnt get you anywhere, you either end up held back by other cars or you get stopped by lights.

 

[REDD555]

Been a while since I got a ticket but even my Dad (who drives Miss Daisy by the way) feels under pressure in any town he's not used to driving in due to "hidden" camera's and Kojaks with Kodak's!

10%+2 was meant to be a guideline to account for speedo error iirc?

 

[iCraig]

I find comments like the above extremely rude and condecending. He got caught doing 47 in a 40, hardly a major crime and he was just looking for a way to get out of it. I would too, if I thought there was a possibility of getting away with a stupid punishment then I'd persue any avenue available and that would include asking on a public forum. Hardly 'worming his way out of it', Jeez....

It is 'worming' his way out of it because instead of simply paying the fine and taking the points like he should do, he's grasping at straws for a way to wiggle out of abiding by the law.

I don't agree with speed cameras a large percentage of the time, and I understand the burn when a letter comes through the post asking for your money and slapping points on your license, but when you go over the limit—whether you support the system or not—you're breaking the law, and if you get caught, then that's how it goes. His speed of 46 is high enough to warrant a speeding ticket, especially as most speedos over-read anyway, so to him, he was probably driving at ~50mph.

Seriously if they don't offer him the course he should just pay the fine and take the points and learn from it like the rest of us. Finding escape routes when you're banged to rights is only going to get you into a bigger mess.

I agree that it's not a major crime, but it's not exactly a major punishment either is it?

 

[The_Dark_Side]

well prison won't be a new thing for me...... last time i did 'bird' was for

'wearing a loud shirt in a built up area'

and

'having an offensive wife'

btw i'm joking

someone has a copy of hedgehog sandwhich

 

[The_Dark_Side]

It's just another stealth tax imo.

that's just rubbish.
a stealth tax is something that can't be avoided if you're using the service it applies to.
if you don't want to be caught speeding then don't speed...simple as that.
after all its something that millions of motorists manage to do so it can't be that hard.
if abiding by the limits was SO difficult, every driver would have at least one speeding conviction whereas in reality the majority of drivers DON'T have one.

 

[The_Dark_Side]

I think too that cameras cause more accidents.

wrong.
bad driving/drivers cause accidents.
look at it this way.
you're driving along some road somewhere with a fixed speed camera at the side of the road.now are you saying that its impossible to drive past this camera without either being caught speeding or having an accident due to your need to be constantly looking at your speedo?
no of course you're not.as the camera is a constant the variable here is the drivers that pass it on a daily basis.
any driver that has an accident due to their actions based on the presence of a speed camera is going to have an accident somewhere else.
the majority of drivers who speed find it no effort at all to lower their speed and maintain it while still giving their situation the attention it requires, before leaving the area of the camera and building their speed up again.

 

[mortuzac]

to the pc crew:


I have been driving along that particular road for years. I have always travelled at the same speed (around 45 to 46) because I always thought that the police didn't prosecute at that speed.

Obviously they've changed the camera detection speed- to try and get more revenue for the policemans ball - ffs

As for the person who's mum got a ticket doing 32 in a 30 zone.... i bet she just paid it and never questioned it.... i would have questioned it

I'll let you guys know the outcome of the letter.

Plus it's against human rights for the police to ask us to name who the driver of the car is.... in fact there's a case going through the european court right now, and if it goes through.... bang goes that system.

I think most of you are unaware of what human rights are all about.... yeah yeah stand on your box... but you guys are all sheep ... baaahhhhhhaaa

I just thought it would have been a nice topic. I think the police are too over zealous. What ever happened to a ticking over? More and more people are starting to dislike the police for reasons like this. Plus all the police I personally know all speed. In fact they all think ( the ones I know ) they're above the law.

 

[iCraig]

I have been driving along that particular road for years. I have always travelled at the same speed (around 45 to 46) because I always thought that the police didn't prosecute at that speed.

Oh well, you live and you learn don't you?

Obviously they've changed the camera detection speed- to try and get more revenue for the policemans ball - ffs

Perhaps, but they didn't force you to speed did they? You got caught out, it happens. I've been caught out and yes it's bloody annoying, but I decided to go over the limit and I only had myself to blame when I got caught.

As for the person who's mum got a ticket doing 32 in a 30 zone.... i bet she just paid it and never questioned it.... i would have questioned it

Questioned what? It was a very narrow margin indeed and it's bloody pathetic that 2mph over the limit is tedious, but it's still technically speeding and one of those things.

Plus it's against human rights for the police to ask us to name who the driver of the car is.... in fact there's a case going through the european court right now, and if it goes through.... bang goes that system.

No it isn't but what human rights do you think it's invalidating?

What case?

I think most of you are unaware of what human rights are all about.... yeah yeah stand on your box... but you guys are all sheep ... baaahhhhhhaaa

Actually I believe it's you who misunderstands what human rights are and how they will be affected in a situation like this.

Who are the sheep exactly? What are we all following?

I just thought it would have been a nice topic. I think the police are too over zealous. What ever happened to a ticking over? More and more people are starting to dislike the police for reasons like this. Plus all the police I personally know all speed. In fact they all think ( the ones I know ) they're above the law.

...and you think you're above the law by trying to get out of the punishment for breaking the speed limit. Your logic on that all policemen you know speed is pointless because that is limited to a handful of policemen. I know two coppers, and neither of them speed—as they have to set the right example—however they understand the drivers' plight against inappropriate speed cameras.

It's just one of those things where you just have to take your mistake on the chin. Passing the buck and trying to wiggle out of it, when you don't have a leg to stand on is just going to make you look like a tit and land you in a bigger mess.

I know a chap who got caught doing a very similar speed to you, 38 in a 30. Instead of taking the fine and points like me and all my other friends advised, he disputed it and went to court with some crappy excuse about the camera not having a sign before it (which it clearly did). He lost out completely and ended up paying way more than he was originally fined.

 

[Berger]

Just lol, your an idiot, you consistantly sped on a road where you knew the camera was and went through it at over the limit then wonder why you get flashed one day.....

Ill admit from time to time i may creep over the speed limits, but not on a road i know theres a fixed camera, and if there is then ill slow down for the thing, not as if they are hard to spot and jump out on you, the bright orange box and lines on the tarmac are a bit of a give away!

Waste your time and money trying to wriggle out of it, i hope they get you good.

 

[SiD the Turtle]

I have been driving along that particular road for years. I have always travelled at the same speed (around 45 to 46) because I always thought that the police didn't prosecute at that speed.

What ever happened to a ticking over?

So you speed all the time on that road not because you think its safe but because you thought you'd get away with it?

Plus it's against human rights for the police to ask us to name who the driver of the car is.... in fact there's a case going through the european court right now, and if it goes through.... bang goes that system.

A pointless technicality.

 

[tonyyeb]

Plus it's against human rights for the police to ask us to name who the driver of the car is.... in fact there's a case going through the european court right now, and if it goes through.... bang goes that system.

I guess it will mean more forward facing cameras with better photographic technology to identify the driver. Bang goes that idea.

 

[a1ex2001]

Plus it's against human rights for the police to ask us to name who the driver of the car is.... in fact there's a case going through the european court right now, and if it goes through.... bang goes that system.

Yes they are trying to prove this but if they do the government will just reword the law so the ticket is the car owners responsibility unless they identify the driver, or more amusingly they'll put the points on the car and when it gets to 12 while in your ownership they'll crush it.

Speed limits are the law end of and while you may think them petty etc it's not up to you so suck that lip back in and take it like a man. You have admited you knew you were speeding so you knew you risked a fine.

 

[mortuzac]

i always thought that the cameras were there to save lives. Yes I am all for it. But what about the cameras being put up in areas where there has never been an accident. What's the point of that? IMO it's to get more money from us.

5mph over the limit is not fast. What I was really trying to say is that BIG BROTHER has changed that camera so that more people get fined. I have never seen or known of an accident at that place.

I have a friend who is a cheif constable. He told me a few years ago that I CAN DRIVE AT 10% + 2 MPH of the speed limit without any problem.

How come you guys are getting so arsi' about it. I suppose sum ov u fink that I deserve to go to jail or summink like that, however I'm gonna fight this one.

What's happened to the rebel overclockers of yesteryear. It used to be the cool ppl taking their machines to the limit.... basically cheating the big companies. Seems like some of youze wont partake in that.

One day we'll have implants forced on us. I bet most of you think that it's just fine ect ect. I for one feel that saturation point is coming soon.


And CRAIG I'm not worming my way out. Please re-read the original question if you need to. If you are one of those people who follows without questions then you're sad because there's such thing as human error (as well as computer errors).

 

[SiD the Turtle]

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I suggest then that when you are hauled up in court you tell them exactly your reasons that your told us, like a police constable told you it was okay, going faster than the speed limit is not fast, speed cameras are only there to make money and not save lives.

In fact please tell us when your court date is as I'd like to come and watch

 

[mortuzac]

Ah the case:

(Mawdesley vs the Cheif Constable of Cheshire (2004) 1 All ER 58)