Speeding

That only holds details of claims, convictions and stuff insurers put on to it (which is why you should be careful what you tell them).
 
[TW]Fox said:
Exactly, I don't get it. Surely the aim behind reducing a speed limit is to... slow traffic down. Which signs will do! You WANT people to be clear it's a 30!
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What actually slows traffic down is average speed cameras. Stuffing a black box in cars also does this.

Signs slow people down who respect them. Those who are happy to break the limit because they can get away with it just stamp on the brakes for the known speed cameras and get dramatic about devious traffic police knowing all about that kind of behaviour and countering it.
 
Nasher said:
That only holds details of claims, convictions and stuff insurers put on to it (which is why you should be careful what you tell them).
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:confused:

I've got no idea what your last post had to do with anything, so to sum up - there is a central database where the police hold the information of all people who have been on a SAC and insurance companies *could* request details of someone from this database if they wanted to. Is it likely that they would? No, unless you are claiming for a decent amount. Is it possible? Yes.
 
Drollic said:
A610 by any chance?
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What is the reasoning behind that being such a long stretch of 40 and (slightly better) 50 around where Ikea is? I can maybe understand it at peak time but when you're coming home at 1am it's entirely empty :/
 
Gaygle said:
:confused:

I've got no idea what your last post had to do with anything, so to sum up - there is a central database where the police hold the information of all people who have been on a SAC and insurance companies *could* request details of someone from this database if they wanted to. Is it likely that they would? No, unless you are claiming for a decent amount. Is it possible? Yes.
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Nope, they can't get data from police records. They can only get what the DVLA have and they won't know if you have been on the course, since it doesn't actually concern the DVLA.
 
Pho said:
What is the reasoning behind that being such a long stretch of 40 and (slightly better) 50 around where Ikea is? I can maybe understand it at peak time but when you're coming home at 1am it's entirely empty :/
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I can only think of the number of accidents on the road being the reason before it was made into a 40 stretch. It really should be nsl or 50 at least leading into a smaller stretch of 40. You get a lot of issues with tailgating the way it currently is that must cause a few accidents in itself due to the limit being so low.
 
As I was over 1mph on the SAC threshold I wonder if it's worth writing a small letter to ask if I can go on the SAC ?

Also no return envelope was provided as far as I can tell so presumably I just have to get sort that out myself - is it worth posting recorded delivery or just 1st class?
 
My first ever speeding offence, in 28 years of driving, was 54 in a 40 zone, 3 years ago (on my bike at the time)....3 points and £100 fine...no course was offered. :rolleyes:
 
1mph over the threshold or 14mph over the limit (nearly 50%). I'd be surprised if they let you off but for the price of a stamp.
 
Gaygle said:
There is a central database where the police hold the information of all people who have been on a SAC and insurance companies *could* request details of someone from this database if they wanted to. Is it likely that they would? No, unless you are claiming for a decent amount. Is it possible? Yes.
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You're partly right.

There is a central database and it is called nDORS. It has a one way data transfer mechanism that takes feeds in from the SAC training providers. This is why they are very strict on taking attendance details when you go on a course. This populates nDORS with people who have attended, their driver numbers and date of attendance.

There is an API to query it but this is locked down to police forces only. When the force decides it wants to offer you a course they query your driver number against nDORS and if it says you've not been on one recently (I forget how many years between courses you can have) it'll offer you it.

Insurance companies don't have access unless something has changed in the three years since I last looked after it, which I don't believe it has talking to former colleagues. It resides on a special air gapped network that's super secure and has all sorts of other stuff on it that means they won't let private companies like insurance providers on it ever I should think.

I do not condone insurance fraud.
 
Admiral group do ask whether you've been on a SAC.

What i do wonder, if the SAC expires after 3 years - you're eligible for another. Does that mean after three years you'd no longer have to inform your insurance company? I actually thought the wording for Admiral was "have you ever been on a speed awareness course", which would insinuate it would stay forever.
 
Just got caught on the M5 for doing 82mph. Have the option of the course I think.
 
Nasher said:
Nope, they can't get data from police records. They can only get what the DVLA have and they won't know if you have been on the course, since it doesn't actually concern the DVLA.
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Going around in circles here.

If they are investigating insurance fraud, then they can submit the correct forms to the force disclosure unit for limited information to be shared, in the spirit of prevention or detection of crime.

BigT said:
You're partly right.

There is a central database and it is called nDORS. It has a one way data transfer mechanism that takes feeds in from the SAC training providers. This is why they are very strict on taking attendance details when you go on a course. This populates nDORS with people who have attended, their driver numbers and date of attendance.

There is an API to query it but this is locked down to police forces only. When the force decides it wants to offer you a course they query your driver number against nDORS and if it says you've not been on one recently (I forget how many years between courses you can have) it'll offer you it.

Insurance companies don't have access unless something has changed in the three years since I last looked after it, which I don't believe it has talking to former colleagues. It resides on a special air gapped network that's super secure and has all sorts of other stuff on it that means they won't let private companies like insurance providers on it ever I should think.

I do not condone insurance fraud.
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PentiP is the ticket tracking system which every police forces uses and feeds into the nDORS database and you can query all sorts on there.

These systems obviously aren't "open" to people to check, but if the insurance companies were bothered enough to want to investigate it, they could make a request to the Force Disclosure Unit to see if someone had been on one, so long as it is the request is necessary and proportionate to want they are trying to prove and their evidence for suspecting is good enough.
 
Cleisthenes said:
Ouch, that's not a nice speed to get caught at. Are they average cameras there?
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It was the Smart Motorway kind.

I was under the assumption the cameras were only switched on when the screens showed a lower speed then normal.

But I was wrong and got flashed.
 
POB said:
It was the Smart Motorway kind.

I was under the assumption the cameras were only switched on when the screens showed a lower speed then normal.

But I was wrong and got flashed.
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Yeah, they're always active even if the signs are off.
 
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