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No, i wouldn't because like i already told you it was something that has in the past prevented me from doing such a job. It doesn't really need saying that obviously not everyone is effected by the burden of responsibility like i am because like you say we wouldn't have pilots or train drivers if they constantly thought about the what ifs, or more likely i suspect they do but are able to deal with those thoughts better than I.
However that just goes to show (IMO) that it's not just about turning up to work - drive train - go home. That it takes a certain level of cognition or perhaps even detachment that I'm simply not capable of.
Not really. It was a good few years ago but IIRC you could start as a train driver with little to no training. Obviously they wouldn't let you anywhere near a train until you're qualified so you'd be on basic pay for a couple of years but if they offered you a job they'd pay for all the training and you'd get paid while they do.
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Accountancy isn't a regulated term, you don't need any qualifications at all to be able to call yourself an accountant, people just assume you do.
I find that quite ironic, since you were being rather elitist yesterday over people who run childcare, what was it...
Well, my partner has a degree in Early years child development and her daughter, who also manages their nursery has a degree and two masters in Child psychology and development and is going on to do a PhD in Educational psychology.
But yea, you still keep thinking you're hot **** with your engineering BSc.
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Lol learn to read the posts before you try and contribute - "France allows 8-10 kids per carer for the under 2s."
I'll tell you who looks 'clever' not YOU
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Well, my partner has a degree in Early years child development and her daughter, who also manages their nursery has a degree and two masters in Child psychology and development and is going on to do a PhD in Educational psychology.
But yea, you still keep thinking you're hot **** with your engineering BSc.
Which adds what to the job of looking after 20 2-4 year olds in a nursery whilst their parents are at work? You don't need that level of qualification to even be a teacher, so what it's purpose? This is our society's issue, qualifications that aren't needed then that pushes up expectations for salary and basic costs to everyone else, when all people need is a basic level of competence in those kinds of services. Would you feel better if your bus driver had a masters in transport management and was working towards a PhD in road planning?
I don't think my engineering degree is worth much, I'm quite honest about that. It would have been, 40 years ago. Now it has little value, hence why I'm saying I'd be better off as a train driver.
Lol learn to read the posts before you try and contribute - "France allows 8-10 kids per carer for the under 2s."
I'll tell you who looks 'clever' not YOU
Maybe you should try and do the same.
FRANCE
"Ratios: Each nursery staff member is responsible for up to eight two to three-year-olds"
Rather than just take a comment someone posted at face value, why not actually go look up the figures yourself before trying to "be clever" about a 1:10 ratio that doesn't even exist.
But no, instead you keep focusing on 1:10 ratio, even after being repeatedly informed by other posters that 1:10 is considered illegal in most EU countries and they run lower ratios than that.
I'll tell you who looks ignorant and doesn't bother to research stuff... YOU.
If you had bothered to do even 5 minutes of googling you could have found out this info for yourself and also maybe realized that what YOU might assume is a suitable (or unsuitable) child - to - carer ratio may well not be shared by anyone else.
But instead you choose to spout nonsense like this...
Because little old n111ck knows better than countless professionals in multiple fields in multiple countries across the EU.
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You just aren't getting it. It IS early year education, it is a complex subject to understand Child development and its crucial towards the rest of that childs life.
It is not just babysitting and playing with kids to keep them occupied while the parents are out at work "doing important things"
What does it add, you say? It makes their Nursery an outstanding setting that excels with the children that come through. They have a reputation in the area and with the LA for being exceptional with children with SEND.
Your mind would boggle with the size of the regulatory framework they have to adhere to and all the paperwork involved in monitoring each individual child's development and tailoring things to suit each childs need. They pour immense amount of hard work and passion into their jobs and work incredibly hard, all for the children, for not much money at all.
I'm sorry, but I initially give people the benefit of the doubt as they don't know what a nursery entails nowadays, but after being told multiple times now and you are still hand wavingly dismissing what they do, I have lost patience with your condescending attitude towards their profession.
So what you're actually bitter about is that someone has out-qualified you in a child-care setting and you're jealous and *think* you are worth more than them? (hint, you aren't).
Seriously just go back and read the posts and then butt out.
As I said 1:10 would be ridiculous and we have subsequently found out that despite people seemingly trying to defend this ratio it was a load of rubbish anyway.
Childcare appears cheaper abroad because they have higher ratios and / or they pay for it partially through taxation (state subsidy).
Its really not hard to understand.
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No, I am saying that none of the above is necessary. All we need from childcare is childcare. It is for teachers to teach, at increasing levels of academic difficulty the older the kids get. We don't need child development monitoring in a 1 year old, that is a job for parents to do. This is outsourcing of parenting, what is being described above.
No wonder we have high costs. Who decided all of the above was necessary for a 1 or 2 year old? Parents should be doing all of the above, not childcare providers.
The situation is already unsustainable - with increasing levels of government subsidy needed for people to afford early years childcare. The more requirements are loaded on, the more the profession becomes increasingly academic, the higher those costs will go until hardly anyone can afford it. Is this what people want?
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and you need an Engineering degree to write reports on water cleanliness?
From an outside-in perspective, all I see is competent and "low risk" individuals (local younger kids at college, not brain dead [first aid etc], people interested in entering the wider childcare profession) earning minimum wage and a nursery managing director making £90k.
At best we get some basic report of what she's done for the day, how many nappies etc - but it is hardly a profession in the traditional sense.
But absolutely they are super passionate about the kids, and they do become part of your family - they see your kid more than you for the early years.
I don't see how you could deliver it any cheaper. They all get NMW for their age group?
Well Sweden has no limits on ratio. Not sure what your point is? Pretty much every other country has smaller ratios. Thats why ours is expensive. What are you arguing about? m
From what I saw, nobody was really trying to defend a 1:10 ratio, in fact there are several posts attempting to correct / address that as being incorrect.
You were however, doggedly trying to attack a 1:10 ratio, which as you now admit yourself was "a load of rubbish anyway"
So why were you so fixated on the idea if you didn't even bother to google it first?
Could it be because you also said this....
So, you think you know better than countless professionals in multiple fields across multiple EU countries who allow up to 8 per carer?
Of course, n111ck knows best.
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WTAF?
I give up, your endless incorrect musings on how you think economic matters should work in the SC thread can be amusing, but this is just on a different level.
never said 1: 10 was acceptable but if we are 1:3 and other countries are fine at 1:5 or 1:6 then moving to 1:6 would halve childcare costs instantly. Yet you seem to think childcare in the UK is expensive because they are making obscene profits
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I already said my degree was worthless, so I'm agreeing with you.
I’ll respond to your post once its been fact checked. ThanksFrom what I saw, nobody was really trying to defend a 1:10 ratio, in fact there are several posts attempting to correct / address that as being incorrect.
You were however, doggedly trying to attack a 1:10 ratio, which as you now admit yourself was "a load of rubbish anyway"
So why were you so fixated on the idea if you didn't even bother to google it first?
Could it be because you also said this....
So, you think you know better than countless professionals in multiple fields across multiple EU countries who allow up to 8 per carer?
Of course, n111ck knows best.