Spurs sack Poch

inogen said:
Lol. Obviously you don't know it, so let me tell you.

Klopp will either extend or leave Liverpool in 2022. Take a year off. Then do something else.

He's never left anywhere mid contract. He'd have no interest in Madrid or Barca.

Klopp's quite open and honest about this. Nobody is going to "come calling". Everybody knows there's no point.
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adam cool dude said:
That's their job. If the players are not motivated. Clear them out. Change the culture and you will eventually get success. Only problem is managers do not get the time anymore.
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If you have £200m worth of unmotivated players then the choice is to move those stars on and hope to replace them with more motivated players without changing the dynamic of the dressing room, changing the wage structure and getting stung on transfer fees... or sack a manager and hope the next one can do better with what you have.

Spurs have a ridiculously low wage bill considering the players they have. Harry Kane is on peanuts compared to what he would get elsewhere. Dele, Son, Erikson etc are the same. Sell those players and get in replacements of a similar quality and you would probably be £100m down in net spend and have a wage bill at least double what you had before. Wage bills increase over time. How Spurs have kept theirs so low is amazing. Mourinho could do far more damage than you think once he starts throwing money around. Lets be honest, he won't have taken the job without assurances about spending.

First order of business should have course be to bring Matic to Tottenham.
 
Janesy B said:
For the comments about Levy working with Mourinho, Mourinho knows what Levy is all about and he wouldn't have joined if there wasn't some iron-clad assurances about expenditure. We're already started to see the purse strings loosen up this summer with Ndombele and Lo Celso coming in together for £100m (yes I know one is only a loan but that's with an obligation to buy). Ndombele came straight in as the joint highest earner with Kane and now that the stadium has been refinanced long term, more revenue will be made available for wages and players.

For me I am sad to see Pochettino go, but he has not helped his cause one bit.

- Comments about leaving the club if we won the Champions League
- Increasingly withdrawn, moody/grumpy, making comments in public about what his job title should be or accusing players of having an agenda
- Refusing to publicly put down rumours when Man Utd came sniffing
- Unable to commit to a single system, 12 games into the season and we're still playing up to 3 different systems per match
- Loss of footballing identity, abandoned the high press and inviting other teams to attack - Man City and Liverpool each have a system, everyone knows it and they stick to it. All players know what they're doing and when.
- Didn't know his strongest starting XI
- Completely hindered player development from the u23 to the first team. Players like Kyle Walker-Peters would be 'promoted' to the first team, they won't be allowed to play with the u23s, they won't be sent out on loan so they just sit on the bench. It's no coincidence that Chelsea are now benefiting from sending players like Mount, Abraham out on loan because players need to play football to develop
- Refusal to freeze out players who are no longer committed. Earlier on in his career he was ruthless in binning out players like Townsend, Bentaleb, Adebayor, Kaboul but with the players he's managed over a long period he's unable to admit when players like Eriksen and Alderweireld are clearly uninterested. Aurier was frozen out, tried to sell him and then he's back in the starting XI after deciding he doesn't fancy Walker-Peters or Foyth there

As for criticisms about Jose's style of play, Spurs haven't played good football for about a year now and if going to Man Utd, winning the Europa League, EFL Cup and Charity Shield are seen as failures - I'm up for that level of failure.

His comment about putting Man Utd 2nd being his greatest ever achievement isn't so laughable any more, look at the state of them now.
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I agree with most of your points but Kyle Walker- Peters seem to contradict your point about young players
 
Janesy B said:
For the comments about Levy working with Mourinho, Mourinho knows what Levy is all about and he wouldn't have joined if there wasn't some iron-clad assurances about expenditure. We're already started to see the purse strings loosen up this summer with Ndombele and Lo Celso coming in together for £100m (yes I know one is only a loan but that's with an obligation to buy). Ndombele came straight in as the joint highest earner with Kane and now that the stadium has been refinanced long term, more revenue will be made available for wages and players.

For me I am sad to see Pochettino go, but he has not helped his cause one bit.

- Comments about leaving the club if we won the Champions League
- Increasingly withdrawn, moody/grumpy, making comments in public about what his job title should be or accusing players of having an agenda
- Refusing to publicly put down rumours when Man Utd came sniffing
- Unable to commit to a single system, 12 games into the season and we're still playing up to 3 different systems per match
- Loss of footballing identity, abandoned the high press and inviting other teams to attack - Man City and Liverpool each have a system, everyone knows it and they stick to it. All players know what they're doing and when.
- Didn't know his strongest starting XI
- Completely hindered player development from the u23 to the first team. Players like Kyle Walker-Peters would be 'promoted' to the first team, they won't be allowed to play with the u23s, they won't be sent out on loan so they just sit on the bench. It's no coincidence that Chelsea are now benefiting from sending players like Mount, Abraham out on loan because players need to play football to develop
- Refusal to freeze out players who are no longer committed. Earlier on in his career he was ruthless in binning out players like Townsend, Bentaleb, Adebayor, Kaboul but with the players he's managed over a long period he's unable to admit when players like Eriksen and Alderweireld are clearly uninterested. Aurier was frozen out, tried to sell him and then he's back in the starting XI after deciding he doesn't fancy Walker-Peters or Foyth there

As for criticisms about Jose's style of play, Spurs haven't played good football for about a year now and if going to Man Utd, winning the Europa League, EFL Cup and Charity Shield are seen as failures - I'm up for that level of failure.

His comment about putting Man Utd 2nd being his greatest ever achievement isn't so laughable any more, look at the state of them now.
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Fairly solid take
 
Janesy B said:
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- Comments about leaving the club if we won the Champions League
- Increasingly withdrawn, moody/grumpy, making comments in public about what his job title should be or accusing players of having an agenda
- Refusing to publicly put down rumours when Man Utd came sniffing
- Unable to commit to a single system, 12 games into the season and we're still playing up to 3 different systems per match
- Loss of footballing identity, abandoned the high press and inviting other teams to attack - Man City and Liverpool each have a system, everyone knows it and they stick to it. All players know what they're doing and when.
- Didn't know his strongest starting XI
- Completely hindered player development from the u23 to the first team. Players like Kyle Walker-Peters would be 'promoted' to the first team, they won't be allowed to play with the u23s, they won't be sent out on loan so they just sit on the bench. It's no coincidence that Chelsea are now benefiting from sending players like Mount, Abraham out on loan because players need to play football to develop
- Refusal to freeze out players who are no longer committed. Earlier on in his career he was ruthless in binning out players like Townsend, Bentaleb, Adebayor, Kaboul but with the players he's managed over a long period he's unable to admit when players like Eriksen and Alderweireld are clearly uninterested. Aurier was frozen out, tried to sell him and then he's back in the starting XI after deciding he doesn't fancy Walker-Peters or Foyth there....
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The first few points I agree entirely on but at the same time it's somewhat easy to understand why he done these things. Poch began flirting with other clubs and started sending out mixed messages because he was either trying to get more money out of Levy (for signings rather than for himself) and or to keep his options open if he decided to leave, and he done this because he found himself in a situation where he couldn't see how he could progress any further with Spurs as things stood. Poch was no different to Kane right now - both have been faced with a choice of moving to clubs where they're almost guaranteed success or staying loyal to Spurs, helping the club, at their personal expence. That said, Poch's wavering committment to the club has certainly contributed to the troubles Spurs are now in - how can you criticise players for wanting out when they see their manager isn't fully onboard?

The points about not knowing his strongest 11 and losing identity are common consequences of when things start going wrong. It happens all the time, you start dropping points and the manager begins panicking, changing players and systems every week, scratching around trying to find a way to put things right.

It's harsh to criticise him about not freezing out players though. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't on this one. You're not the same Spurs side that he tookover - he couldn't afford to have a period of transition while he got rid of players he didnt want or didn't want to be there. Had he froze those players out and your form suffered, supporters would be complaining that you've got x, y and z sat in the stands that could have helped the side. Look at Ozil and Arsenal - for years he took the blame when things went wrong, he gets bombed out and now supporters are complaining that he's not playing.
 
I do wonder how much Spurs are going to get shafted if Mou doesn’t do well and is sacked :p
Usually he gets a good little severance package every time he gets sacked from a club.
 
It is very similar to Utd appointing him, just minus the £300m he blew at Utd. If it wasn't already obvious, Spurs sacking Poch and appointing Mourinho of all people shows you just how important CL qualification is to Spurs now they've got £600m+ worth of loans to service. If you discount City, Spurs are 12 points off the top 4 right now. I wonder what Levy's honest response would be if you offered him 3rd place in their CL group and dropping into the Europa League - Spurs would probably become favourites for the EL and that would be their best chance of making the CL next season.
 
If I were a Spurs fan, I wouldn't be unhappy about Mourinho. OK, it's a huge gamble, but Spurs are poised to become a true elite club if they can get to the next level, and Mourinho could get them there.

He'll be able to work with the team to some extent, it's a pretty decent squad.

Poch has been finished since the Eriksen fiasco in the summer, lots of things have gone wrong since then.

I would like Poch in for Ole, but we're going to blindly stick with him and end up in a mess as always. :cool:
 
Agree with Robbo would take poch over Ollie sure United could find a place for ole but it won't happen Woodward will dither as normal and he'll go somewhere else then he'll sack ollie
 
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Robbo said:
If I were a Spurs fan, I wouldn't be unhappy about Mourinho. OK, it's a huge gamble, but Spurs are poised to become a true elite club if they can get to the next level, and Mourinho could get them there.

He'll be able to work with the team to some extent, it's a pretty decent squad.

Poch has been finished since the Eriksen fiasco in the summer, lots of things have gone wrong since then.

I would like Poch in for Ole, but we're going to blindly stick with him and end up in a mess as always. :cool:
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Well he can change them from an attacking side to a defensive one that doesn't score as many goals and isn't as entertaining.

He can turn a dressing room against himself very quickly.

He will spend every penny available to him and if the signings don't work he will blame everyone else.

He could completely ruin their wage structure with new signings.
 
It's a strange one. Only a few months ago Poch was touted to replace Maureen at Utd. How the tides have turned.

As a Spurs fan I'm wondering - would I take a year of success followed by the usual fall-out from JM or stability with the occasional near misses?
 
The backlash to Mourinho's appointment is like they've hired Pardew or Big Sam. I'm sure he will turn their fortunes around, something that looked unlikely under Poch, I'm sure he will end up at Bayern and all will be rosy.
 
Andybtsn said:
The backlash to Mourinho's appointment is like they've hired Pardew or Big Sam. I'm sure he will turn their fortunes around, something that looked unlikely under Poch, I'm sure he will end up at Bayern and all will be rosy.
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The trouble is, we've had little success over recent years and so we've become wedded to our identity - core of English players, academy output, solid financial management. Mourinho represents none of this. And most Spurs fans know success doesn't come easy at the club, so he might not deliver that either.
 
Andybtsn said:
The backlash to Mourinho's appointment is like they've hired Pardew or Big Sam. I'm sure he will turn their fortunes around, something that looked unlikely under Poch, I'm sure he will end up at Bayern and all will be rosy.
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It’s not about the highly likely success he will bring Fa cup? League cup? It’s the nuclear fall he’ll create and leave afterwards is it worth that for the fa cup?

For me no, I liked your shout of Eddie Howe to be honest.
 
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