Klop could leave or real or Barca could come calling for mane or van dijk then what
Spurs sack Poch
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Fascinating appointment. A manager whose entire career has been built on cynically exploiting every (usually financial) advantage possible to flatter his ego, managing a club who have shown no ability or inclination to compete at the top table. Mourinho can't work adequately under budget and he can't develop young players, provables. Does Levy loosen the purse strings - and if he does, why was he not willing to do so for a manager who had made them competitors? Spurs' financial approach can't have changed dramatically in the past year.
From Levy's side, it's an atrocious appointment and has car crash written all over it. From Mourinho's side, it's a job he takes because he is a busted flush unlikely to get another opportunity at an elite club and where he knows he has at least one world class player to work with. Remodelling that squad will be an interesting challenge to watch though.
Pochettino's sacking again emphasises that 'managers' are merely contractors, the concept of 'loyalty' in football does not and cannot exist, and that no grudges can be held when managers seek to do what is right by themselves. If he was indeed approached for a top job, he may regret not pushing for the move 12-24 months ago. To me it isn't certain he gets one: Spurs have been overhyped during his tenure, and his lack of relative success is a question mark.
From Levy's side, it's an atrocious appointment and has car crash written all over it. From Mourinho's side, it's a job he takes because he is a busted flush unlikely to get another opportunity at an elite club and where he knows he has at least one world class player to work with. Remodelling that squad will be an interesting challenge to watch though.
Pochettino's sacking again emphasises that 'managers' are merely contractors, the concept of 'loyalty' in football does not and cannot exist, and that no grudges can be held when managers seek to do what is right by themselves. If he was indeed approached for a top job, he may regret not pushing for the move 12-24 months ago. To me it isn't certain he gets one: Spurs have been overhyped during his tenure, and his lack of relative success is a question mark.
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That's their job. If the players are not motivated. Clear them out. Change the culture and you will eventually get success. Only problem is managers do not get the time anymore.
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Bus moving from its parking place in Manchester where it was last abandoned to London. Harry Kane going the other way.
Footballers are the problem, they are worth so so very much they are untouchable and it's cheaper to keep the managers on a merry go round.
Footballers are the problem, they are worth so so very much they are untouchable and it's cheaper to keep the managers on a merry go round.
This is simply not true re Spurs. Until this season they've had the 6th highest revenue in the league, some distance behind even 5th let alone the rest and have had to juggle staying competitive with building a £1bn stadium. Spurs, Poch and Levy have done incredibly well to have managed this balancing act for so long and to not only make top 4 year after year but often to finish comfortably in those spots. Had they managed this balancing act for just one more season then they'd have been set and in an incredibly strong position moving forwards. They've undoubtedly made mistakes in the last 18 months but that's with the benefit of hindsight - there was no easy answers for Spurs or no one right answer.
You mention us not spending anything this season as some sort of comparrison to Spurs but you fail to recognise two very important things. For a start we've not spent on the back of already having one of the strongest squads in world football, Spurs don't or didn't have that and secondly you ignore the fact that we're spending over £100m per season more than them on wages. As of the last set of accounts Spurs wagebill was £148m with Arsenal, the 5th highest, with £240m. Of course they're going to have issues building and maintaining a squad to rival even Arsenal and Chelsea with such a huge difference in money available to them, let alone to Liverpool, City and Utd.
I know we're not far off Xmas and it's wrong to kill your dreams but there's not enough money in the world to buy either VVD or Mane and I'm quietly confident that Klopp will extend his contract beyond 2022.
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Whenever I've seen managers try to do that in the last 10 years before you know it the players pull together, rumors start of losing the dressing room and the manager has gone. Any time after his first sacking at Chelsea when ever Jose has tried to kick backside it's been his that got kicked. Same for lot's of managers, sadly.
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This is a culture that has come from big money Premier League era. I am not saying it is going to work but Ole has had a major clear out of high earners and is trying to instal a new discipline to the team. Fergie lasted so long because he was constantly changing the team and anyone who wasn't on board was out the door. He got rid of many players in their prime to make sure he was always the one in control at the club.
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Yeah no one get's that time now. Also the Beckham boot in the head would have seen Fergie out the door in this era. I'm not convinced Ole is clearing shop in attitude, wages or ability to be honest.
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extraordinary appointment. Either Levy is planning on spending big or this could be hilarious. This has the potential to undo everything Poch achieved in making Spurs a big club.
Looking at Spurs' squad, it's the sort of squad you can see Mourinho being happy to work with in the short-term. There's a very Mourinho blend of height, athleticism and ****houses in there - you can already see a 4-3-3 with Son and Moura either side of Kane, 3 powerful workhorses in midfield and a back 4 potentially with Dier and Vert at fullback. The fun will come if and when Spurs lose Toby, Vert and Eriksen on frees and Mourinho's tasked with replacing them and increasing the overall quality of the squad on a modest budget. I want to be in the room when Mourinho recommends <£40m 30 year old wanting a 5 year deal> to Levy.
Ok what if one of them gets a bad injury or even both but im not wishing it on them as its nearly Christmas
the point I'm trying to make is nothing in football is guaranteedYes should be fun how long till he's sacked do you reckon
For the comments about Levy working with Mourinho, Mourinho knows what Levy is all about and he wouldn't have joined if there wasn't some iron-clad assurances about expenditure. We're already started to see the purse strings loosen up this summer with Ndombele and Lo Celso coming in together for £100m (yes I know one is only a loan but that's with an obligation to buy). Ndombele came straight in as the joint highest earner with Kane and now that the stadium has been refinanced long term, more revenue will be made available for wages and players.
For me I am sad to see Pochettino go, but he has not helped his cause one bit.
- Comments about leaving the club if we won the Champions League
- Increasingly withdrawn, moody/grumpy, making comments in public about what his job title should be or accusing players of having an agenda
- Refusing to publicly put down rumours when Man Utd came sniffing
- Unable to commit to a single system, 12 games into the season and we're still playing up to 3 different systems per match
- Loss of footballing identity, abandoned the high press and inviting other teams to attack - Man City and Liverpool each have a system, everyone knows it and they stick to it. All players know what they're doing and when.
- Didn't know his strongest starting XI
- Completely hindered player development from the u23 to the first team. Players like Kyle Walker-Peters would be 'promoted' to the first team, they won't be allowed to play with the u23s, they won't be sent out on loan so they just sit on the bench. It's no coincidence that Chelsea are now benefiting from sending players like Mount, Abraham out on loan because players need to play football to develop
- Refusal to freeze out players who are no longer committed. Earlier on in his career he was ruthless in binning out players like Townsend, Bentaleb, Adebayor, Kaboul but with the players he's managed over a long period he's unable to admit when players like Eriksen and Alderweireld are clearly uninterested. Aurier was frozen out, tried to sell him and then he's back in the starting XI after deciding he doesn't fancy Walker-Peters or Foyth there
As for criticisms about Jose's style of play, Spurs haven't played good football for about a year now and if going to Man Utd, winning the Europa League, EFL Cup and Charity Shield are seen as failures - I'm up for that level of failure.
His comment about putting Man Utd 2nd being his greatest ever achievement isn't so laughable any more, look at the state of them now.
For me I am sad to see Pochettino go, but he has not helped his cause one bit.
- Comments about leaving the club if we won the Champions League
- Increasingly withdrawn, moody/grumpy, making comments in public about what his job title should be or accusing players of having an agenda
- Refusing to publicly put down rumours when Man Utd came sniffing
- Unable to commit to a single system, 12 games into the season and we're still playing up to 3 different systems per match
- Loss of footballing identity, abandoned the high press and inviting other teams to attack - Man City and Liverpool each have a system, everyone knows it and they stick to it. All players know what they're doing and when.
- Didn't know his strongest starting XI
- Completely hindered player development from the u23 to the first team. Players like Kyle Walker-Peters would be 'promoted' to the first team, they won't be allowed to play with the u23s, they won't be sent out on loan so they just sit on the bench. It's no coincidence that Chelsea are now benefiting from sending players like Mount, Abraham out on loan because players need to play football to develop
- Refusal to freeze out players who are no longer committed. Earlier on in his career he was ruthless in binning out players like Townsend, Bentaleb, Adebayor, Kaboul but with the players he's managed over a long period he's unable to admit when players like Eriksen and Alderweireld are clearly uninterested. Aurier was frozen out, tried to sell him and then he's back in the starting XI after deciding he doesn't fancy Walker-Peters or Foyth there
As for criticisms about Jose's style of play, Spurs haven't played good football for about a year now and if going to Man Utd, winning the Europa League, EFL Cup and Charity Shield are seen as failures - I'm up for that level of failure.
His comment about putting Man Utd 2nd being his greatest ever achievement isn't so laughable any more, look at the state of them now.
Of course nothing is guaranteed and these freak things can happen but as omnom correctly points out, we have a very strong foundation in place to deal with these things as best we possibly can. It's not by chance that we've had an incredibly hit rate with transfers in the last 4 years, neither is it by chance that we ended up with Klopp as our manager. Obviously not to the same extent as Spurs but Liverpool too have juggled finances, spending over £150m on infrastructure while trying to build a competitive team - touch wood, we've not just been able to maintain a level but have managed to continuously improve while doing it. We don't just have a fantastic set-up but we're financially rock solid too - it would take a disaster for us to end up in Spurs' current position but crucially, we'd find it far easier to get out of too.Ok what if one of them gets a bad injury or even both but im not wishing it on them as its nearly Christmas
Klopp ain't going nowhere. And you know it.
When they finished second, Utd had just bankrolled the major purchases of Lukaku and Matic, Pogba the previous year, and other costly signings. Mourinho's remit was to win the league and finishing second should have been par for the course, he was working with a squad stacked with experienced, proven, expensive players. It wasn't a major achievement in itself, soon went to **** and the squad now isn't reflective of what Mourinho had to work with.
It was a soundbyte only, no substance to it.
Time will tell
Lol. Obviously you don't know it, so let me tell you.
Klopp will either extend or leave Liverpool in 2022. Take a year off. Then do something else.
He's never left anywhere mid contract. He'd have no interest in Madrid or Barca.
Klopp's quite open and honest about this. Nobody is going to "come calling". Everybody knows there's no point.