Star Trek general discussion (series, films, rumours)

I've really sick this week, off work and spending most of my time in bed. But when I have got up I've binge watched some Paramount+ that the wife won't be interested in. Star Trek: TOS has been surprisingly good. Not every episode holds up well, it is over 50 years old, but I was impressed by the image quality and the good episodes with the strongest stories still hold up really well. And I haven't even made it to any of the genuine classics yet.

Then for a change I thought I'd pick up Discovery again. I'd previosuly watched season 1 when it aired on E4 and wasn't that impressed. Holy cow season 2 episode 1 is so awful I couldn't make it through the whole episode. It is lavishly made but the dialogue is so dismal and unsubtely preachy that I'd far rather watch a ropey TOS episode to restart that. How this made it to 4 seasons if that was an indication of what follows I'll never know?
Yeah TOS was scanned from the film and remastered in 1080p and many of the effects were upgraded including all the space stuff and ship became CGI. however still keeping the look of the model.
 
I always get a wry smile when someone professes surprise at how good TOS is - how d'you think it spawned a whole franchise if it wasn't good? ;):p



Stick with it, just to see how much worse it can get :D
Yeah I watched it in the 80’s and 90’s on BBC2 but you question if you have rose tinted view of the past and will it still hold up. And yes it does, better than early TNG in some respects.
 
Anyone been watching discovery. New season started off good and then descending back to it's normal clumsy themes.
 
Season 3 of Picard was far better than 1 & 2
Never got round to watching DS9, might have to give it a try
Contrary to what appears to be the majority opinion I liked season 1 of Picard very much its very much a love letter to TNG if you you don't have memories are not invested in it or its characters you're likely to find it doesn't engage your interest much. 2 was an attempt to be less philosophical and cerebral and inject more pace and action but lacks any real substance. 3 is somewhere between the two and probably the best of it. But they're all worth watching certainly better than the utter carp thats your average terrestrial TV which really needs to be put out of its misery and especially the licence fee its an anachronism a left over from the days when the BBC broadcast from ally pally and there was only one broadcaster available and almost no-one had a TV which made it esentially a subscription service.

B5 and DS9 are both awesome. You just have to give both of them time to settle in - DS9 a little more, as it doesn't really get into it's flow until S3 and mainly S4 onwards.
DS9 was good, very good once you get to season 3 onwards until then its dull. B5 blew my mind but again took a while to take off its astonishing how many people just don't get it though.

I've really sick this week, off work and spending most of my time in bed. But when I have got up I've binge watched some Paramount+ that the wife won't be interested in. Star Trek: TOS has been surprisingly good. Not every episode holds up well, it is over 50 years old, but I was impressed by the image quality and the good episodes with the strongest stories still hold up really well. And I haven't even made it to any of the genuine classics yet.

Then for a change I thought I'd pick up Discovery again. I'd previosuly watched season 1 when it aired on E4 and wasn't that impressed. Holy cow season 2 episode 1 is so awful I couldn't make it through the whole episode. It is lavishly made but the dialogue is so dismal and unsubtely preachy that I'd far rather watch a ropey TOS episode to restart that. How this made it to 4 seasons if that was an indication of what follows I'll never know?
Heh you're probably watching the remastered TOS which is as good a job of remastering as I've ever seen. And yes it spawned an entire franchise for a reason its still my favourite Trek, just. Discovery was just... yeah. What the heck am I watching? Don't think I made it past a few initial episodes.
 
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Also enjoying watching through the remastered TOS, holds up very well on the most part.

Edit: Any stand-out episodes to look out for?
 
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Also enjoying watching through the remastered TOS, holds up very well on the most part.

Edit: Any stand-out episodes to look out for
As a TOS fan here are the ones that I'd absolutely watch, in this order:

Season One

"The Cage" un-aired pilot, since it sets up SNW.
"Where No Man Has Gone Before", the actual TOS pilot.
"The Corbomite Maneuver", since it was produced next and introduces the rest of the main characters except Chekov
"The Man Trap"
"Balance of Terror"
"The Conscience of the King"
"The Galileo Seven"
"Court Martial"
"The Menagerie" two-parter, uses "The Cage" footage but you need the other episodes first
"Shore Leave"
"The Squire of Gothos"
"Arena"
"A Taste of Armageddon"
"Space Seed", sets up the second film and every plot point to do with Augments in all of Trek
"The Devil in the Dark"
"Errand of Mercy"
"The City on the Edge of Forever"

Season Two

"Metamorphosis", introduces Zefram Cochrane the inventor of warp drive
"Friday's Child"
"Amok Time" for a spot of Vulcan world-building and the best/cheesiest/best and cheesiest fight scene in all of Trek
"The Doomsday Machine"
"Mirror Mirror"
"The Trouble with Tribbles"
"Journey to Babel"
"Obsession"
"The Immunity Syndrome"
"A Piece of the Action"
"The Ultimate Computer"
"Assignment: Earth"

Season Three

"Spectre of the Gun"
"The Enterprise Incident"
[You could watch "Spock's Brain" here simply for the camp value :p]
"The Tholian Web"
"For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
"Whom Gods Destroy"
"The Lights of Zetar"
"All Our Yesterdays"

The standouts, for me:

"The Cage", "Where No Man...", "The Corbomite Maneuver" for world-building

"Balance Of Terror", because it's sub warfare IN SPAAAAAAAACCEEEE.

"The Galileo Seven" and "Court Martial" are great character pieces.

"Space Seed" sets up the second film.

"City on the Edge of Forever" is beautiful.

"Amok Time" for more world building.

"The Doomsday Machine" for sheer awesomeness.

"The Trouble With Tribbles" is great fun.

"Journey to Babel" for Spock backstory, lots of aliens, a murder mystery and a space battle.

"The Enterprise Incident" is essentially a sci-fi heist.

And yes. Watch "Spock's Brain". It's terrible. I mean, genuinely terrible. So terrible that it cruises back around to being fun :D
 
Just read one of the better critiques of nuTrek out there and had to share it. From mortalcrawad66 on the reddits:

...but I think it's because I really like Lower Decks. It doesn't take itself serious, but it takes Star Trek serious. A stark comparison to Nu Trek. Which takes itself too seriously, but doesn't take Star Trek seriously

There it is. The definitive take.

Way back in season 1 I was calling Discovery a generic grimdark sci-fi series with superficial elements of Star Trek sprinkled through it. And that never really changed, because the people making the show never once took that universe seriously. To them it was just a vehicle for The Adventures Of Michael Burnham. That they occasionally screwed up and introduced something worthwhile to Star Trek (like Anson Mount's Pike, and...uh...no, give me a minute...) doesn't change that. Even Picard, which I generally liked, jettisoned a lot of the good things about Star Trek in the quest to not simply do a continuation of TNG. And it's not as if SNW, as good as it is, is beyond reproach with their attitude towards maintaining continuity with TOS in particular.

Even early on (when Lower Decks for me was a very hard watch while they figured out where to pitch the humour and how to make someone like Mariner even vaguely likeable) it became clear that the people making it cared about the Trek universe and about making a show that fit into that universe. If only we were getting more of that kind of Trek instead of a God damned Section 31 movie :rolleyes:
 
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