Star Trek: Picard

I think given how the story for S1 unfolded, they should have just left it as was and not brought him back as a synthetic, just the end between him and Data would have been a good end for Picard and the story in general, for them to then bring him back just feels wrong, unless of course the involvement from Q will then turn the Picsynth back into a human, in which case that would just suck even more..
 
Trig said:
I think given how the story for S1 unfolded, they should have just left it as was and not brought him back as a synthetic, just the end between him and Data would have been a good end for Picard and the story in general, for them to then bring him back just feels wrong, unless of course the involvement from Q will then turn the Picsynth back into a human, in which case that would just suck even more..
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The show started out well, but then descended into 'a bit crap'. I didn't like the fact that StarFleet was corrupt etc, all the work from TOS, TNG etc etc all seems for nought. I especially hated the term, "JL".

It would have been a poignant final series/episode, allowing Data to say goodbye and Picard to die.

That being said, i will watch S2, it's still the Trek universe and i would rather it be on that not.
 
Yeah I'll watch it, but I doubt I'll be waiting with anticipation, might just wait until the whole seasons dropped and then binge it, but then I'm like that with a lot of TV at the mo, seems to be nothing on that's actually grabbing me..
 
Trig said:
I think given how the story for S1 unfolded, they should have just left it as was and not brought him back as a synthetic, just the end between him and Data would have been a good end for Picard and the story in general, for them to then bring him back just feels wrong, unless of course the involvement from Q will then turn the Picsynth back into a human, in which case that would just suck even more..
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Chances are Q will make him human again.
 
SixTwoSix said:
Producers are smart, they know general reception was poor and that bringing a heavy hitter like Q in will get a few folks back.
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Yeah, until Q makes him human and steals his Synth body for himself for some reason, that'll really help...
 
I really liked it, looking forward to another season. Loved seeing all the old crew guesting as well as the new people, would be great to see Q again :)
 
TNA said:
Did you also love how he was constantly called JL?

JL is just so much better. Hippy, modern and cool.

Not! :p
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I honestly find it quite impressive how 'triggering', for lack of a less crappy word, that has been for a vast swathe of the people who watched Picard S1. I genuinely can barely contain my utter indifference about it, but some people hold it up as the prime example of Everything Wrong With This Show™.

I mean, when there's genuine stuff to complain about - pacing issues, weak villains, plot non-twists, stuff that seems to be utterly missing - and y'all pick that...very strange.
 
JRS said:
I honestly find it quite impressive how 'triggering', for lack of a less crappy word, that has been for a vast swathe of the people who watched Picard S1. I genuinely can barely contain my utter indifference about it, but some people hold it up as the prime example of Everything Wrong With This Show™.

I mean, when there's genuine stuff to complain about - pacing issues, weak villains, plot non-twists, stuff that seems to be utterly missing - and y'all pick that...very strange.
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It was very grating and in your face. A disrespect to the character and thus the audience. It felt like someone smoking in a non-smoking area, and then blowing the smoke into your face. Many of the writers and showrunners deliberately do stuff like this because they know it annoys the older fans that they've decided they don't want in favour of the twitter mobs who don't watch this stuff anyway.

It's just one aspect of the many, many things that are wrong with this show, because the showrunners hate the fans.
 
SixTwoSix said:
Maybe he'll 4th wall break and retcon the entire S1 poop-show
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I thought:
something daft already!! said:
The only way season 2 could work is if Picard wakes up in his quarters at the beginning of it and realises that season one was just a terrible nightmare he had after a night drinking with Beverly. Everything then is reset back to TNG style, around the start of season 3 or 4.
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But I'd take Q doing it. Anything to be rid of this waking woke nightmare
 
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@Steampunk - honestly, I think you might be reading more into it than is actually there. I know it's only paranoia if they aren't out to get you, but I don't think they did it to annoy older fans - they just wanted to show a very different Captain-XO relationship than the Picard-Riker one and this was the way that they chose to do it.

I grew up with TNG. I loved TOS and DS9. I put up with Voyager's lousier moments. I stuck with Enterprise and was so happy when it finally came good in the fourth season. "JL" is just...it's inconsequential. Especially compared to the stuff in modern Trek that does suck.
 
JRS said:
I honestly find it quite impressive how 'triggering', for lack of a less crappy word, that has been for a vast swathe of the people who watched Picard S1. I genuinely can barely contain my utter indifference about it, but some people hold it up as the prime example of Everything Wrong With This Show™.

I mean, when there's genuine stuff to complain about - pacing issues, weak villains, plot non-twists, stuff that seems to be utterly missing - and y'all pick that...very strange.
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That was one of many issues. I already went through my issues with it as I recall when it first aired. Not sure why you would assume the post of mine you quoted suggested that was the main issue or only issue I had :)
 
I think the JL thing was just the straw that broke the camels back for a lot of people or at least just another brick in the wall of **** that they served us in Picard. When coupled with what we got from Discovery its not hard to see where they are going with these shows.

They have taken one of the best and most loved Star Trek characters who was strong, decisive, compassionate, complex and represented everything the federation was supposed to and turned him into a weak example of white male arrogance. The JL bit was just the icing on the cake.

Its one of the things that woke writers don't seem to understand. You can't make people like or care about a character in 2 minutes. You can't just put overly emotional scenes in without earning that emotional credit through prior work. Nothing about Picard suggests that he would be OK with someone calling him JL so why do it. They will have known that it was completely out of character (or maybe in the classic modern style, they didn't because they didn't bother to watch old star trek before writing it).

Its like most things in these shows, taken in isolation they are annoying. Taken as part of the whole they come off as nothing other than intentional.
 
I think out of everything the JL thing doesn't bother me, people have different relationships with people and there's clearly a bit more backstory to this..
 
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