Star Trek: Picard

Not every episode no, but I'd expect them to know one of the most highly regarded episodes in Trek lore if they're going to be given the job of continuing Picard's narrative. Ask any Trek fan what this is and they'll instantly know.

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What is it? :p

That was a good episode. I actually play that song sometimes on the piano and recorder :D
 
Well that was a cool episode. A half vulkan half romulan sleeper agent takes the head position at SF security. So not just vulkan then, interesting and that she can do a meld but then again Spock was half and half and he could too so i suppose not a surprise. I got goosebumps when i thought 7 was gona start her own mini collective and be a queen which i suppose she kinda was for a few mins. I dunno why tho that she didnt transport the drones back on the cube as they can survive space as seen in First Contact. I felt she gave up a little too early on them. The 8 suns thing, do you remember the first contact episode on tng with the ferengi The Last Outpost? The planet they were on and the guy who was on it spoke of a vast empire and that they could move planets and such or was it create them. I wonder if it might have been those people that made or move the suns in that 8 configuration, the Tkon Empire or something.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tkon_Empire

The Tkon Empire was a massive empire that existed over 600,000 years ago. The Empire had a population of trillions and was highly advanced technologically. The Tkon had the ability to move entire stars
 
What was the point of dumping the Borg into space when it's already been shown they can survive in space without space suits? In first contact they were fart assing about on the deflector dish. Could they not all be beamed back in again?
 
Can I also mention how much I hate the warp effect, or should I say LACK of warp effect, just a little blur for an instant and that's it. Tmp done it so much better.
 
Continuity wasn't really a thing for the other shows and movies...

Except for all the times that it was, you mean? ;)

I mean, there's always been the odd screw-up (mainly in Voyager and Enterprise, it must be said...'starships can only go in straight lines at warp' from one Voyager episode for example!). But for the most part they've managed to keep what is now 248 years of on-screen primary timeline pretty well intact. Aside from STD, of course. But then STD's own internal continuity is so out to lunch that keeping it in sync with the rest of Trek can be written off. I think for all intents and purposes STD now starts at Season 3 in The Far Future™, especially if they keep references to the time period that they left down to a bare minimum.

Anyway...

Episode 8 - "Broken Pieces"

1) "Previously, on Star Trek..." Soji falls over. A kid tries to help her. Rios is bitter about his past. Raffi operates a holographic screen. Hugh and Elnor plot insurrection. Narissa Rizzo does Evil Stuff™. Elnor calls for backup. Jurati kills Maddox. Soji delivers exposition. Narek tails the La Sirena. Jurati does Something Stupid™ (and in the process Alison Pill very nearly busts out of that tank top :eek: good thing her bra was up to the task!).
2) Space sure is pretty.
3) Here comes the plot. Aia, the Grief World.
4) And, of course, it's a flashback.
5) But hey, at least we're getting some explanation for the Zhat Vash paranoia. Narissa Rizzo is there.
6) And it's Oh. Question does still remain - is she a Vulcan allied with the Romulan Zhat Vash, or a Romulan who can can do the Vulcan mind meld?
7) Ramdha (the Romulan xB from the cube played by Rebecca Wisocky) is part of this group. So, that's interesting.
8) Narissa the only one to stay on her feet through the experience. But, does this mean that she's the sane one or the one who actually went mad? ;)
9) Oh, character development of a sort. Ramdha and Narissa are related.
10) And now we cut to xB-Ramdha in bed, Narissa attending to her.
11) Exposition and backstory. So Ramdha took out the Borg cube when she was assimilated because her despair was so strong after the experience on Aia.
12) Boy am I glad Peyton List has finally been handed something that vaguely approximates decent material to work with.
13) Elnor has been tracked down. So Evagora's stunt double gets another workout.
14) Seven ex machina, I presume? :)
15) Yep!
16) Elnor glomping Seven is pretty darned cute.
17) Treadaway and List don't get credit spots in the opening titles. But Jeri Ryan does.
18) Rios looking at Soji like he knows her.
19) Or at the very least is affected somehow by her presence.
20) Picard heading back into Captain Mode™.
21) While Raffi is headed off the deep end.
22) But at least Captain Mode™ is still engaged.
23) EMH explaining what Jurati did to herself.
24) Hooray for continuity! The EMH describes the tracker as a viridium compound. The tracking patch Spock slapped on Kirk in "The Undiscovered Country" that allowed him to keep in touch with the movements of Kirk and McCoy on Rura Penthe from sectors away? A viridium patch :)
25) Picard wanting to believe the best about Jurati here, maybe to the point of holding the Idiot Ball.
26) Raffi still hammering her point home.
27) Picard having a frank-bordering-on-direct conversation with Admiral Clancy (the Starfleet C-in-C). Pausing for a side note - Clancy is played by Ann Magnuson, who fronted a satirical heavy metal band in the '90s. Their name? Vulcan Death Grip :D
28) Back to overly-gratuitous f-bombs.
29) Seems that Picard has gotten what he wants though. How much am I bet that there's a twist that sends this all kinds of sideways just yet?
30) Raffi talking to the Navigational Hologram, thinking that it's the EMH. Presumably because she's lousy at spotting accents.
31) An octonary star system? Man, the physics of that have got to be boggling...
32) ENH as Captain Exposition™.
33) He agrees with me on the physics of it all.
34) He's given Raffi an answer to a question that had been weighing on her after the Mars attack, so he gets a kiss on the forehead.
35) Back to the cube, and Narissa finally made it to the site of Seven's rather dramatic entrance.
36) Seven shutting down Elnor's inquisitiveness with "I can explain, or I can steal this cube." :D
37) Clearly the Borg assimilated Tony Stark at some point.
38) Oh dear, we've gone back to Narissa doing Evil Stuff To Be Evil™
39) A regenerating Borg cube is a pretty frightening prospect. You'd hope that Seven knew what she was doing.
40) Meal time on the La Sirena, Picard and Soji having a heart-to-heart.
41) Script heads into 'love letter to Data' territory again.
42) "Data's capacity for expressing and processing emotion was limited...I suppose we had that in common." Oh, the feels...
43) Because of course the Emergency Engineering Hologram is Scottish :D
44) EEH throwing some more fuel on Raffi's investigatory fire.
45) Raffi disabled her replicator's ability to produce alcoholic drinks, and now she regrets it!
46) The EHH explaining just how thoroughly out of luck she is :)
47) Hologram backstory of sorts.
48) Interesting library choices. Kierkegaard's "The Concept of Dread", Spanos' "Case Book on Existentialism", de Unamuno's "The Tragic Sense of Life"...
49) Hopefully this is that Rios backstory that I've been waiting for, he's getting out a storage chest full of memories.
50) Pausing there, because we get a glimpse of the outline of the ship that he served on - the USS Ibn Majid, NCC 75710. Reg number puts it as being commissioned after Voyager (NCC 74656, launched in 2371). The outline also seems to place it as being in the Sovereign class era (2370s). Clearly the ship was named for Ahmad ibn Majid, an explorer during the 15th century.
51) Rios bluntly shooting down Raffi's attempt to come see him.
52) A photo of him and his former CO.
53) And amongst the other tragic keepsakes, a drawing that is very clearly Rios and someone who looks an awful lot like Soji (!).
54) Meanwhile, on the cube. Seven still working her magic.
55) Hmm. Because when has creating a micro-collective not worked out, eh Seven? I mean, apart from every time...
56) At least she has a keen awareness of how bad the idea is.
57) Raffi calling a meeting of the holograms. I bet this one was fun to direct :)
58) Episode title drop.
59) Hooray for continuity! "Medusan astronavigation techniques." The Medusans were introduced to Trek in the third season of TOS's "Is There No Truth In Beauty?" - exceptionally brilliant navigators, but so different to humanoid life that to even glance at one would send you insane. Telepaths can communicate with them, and Vulcans can look at them provided they wear a protective visor.
60) Some more exposition from the holograms, including Rios' old CO's name - Alonso Vandermeer.
61) Oh. Vandermeer committed suicide. Oh boy.
62) The EMH notes that in the aftermath of 'the whole thing', Rios suffered a breakdown and was discharged.
63) It's this 'whole thing' that Raffi needs to get to the bottom of.
64) "I mean, it's not even a language." Oi, we'll have no prejudice against the Gaelic dialects here thank-you very much!
65) Jurati waking up to Picard.
66) Who is doing his level best to both look and sound stern, when he clearly wants to be concerned and grandfatherly.
67) Picard heaping a bit more misery on her, telling her that she'll be surrendering herself for arrest when they get to Deep Space 12. And now wondering how she could have done it.
68) Jurati telling Picard what she can.
69) Nice :p
70) And the dramatic button on the scene from Soji.
71) Raffi now returning the favour with Rios, getting him coffee.
72) Oof. So it was a broken pedestal job between Rios and Vandermeer.
73) Back in sickbay, Jurati face-to-face with Soji, and the burning question. "Do you sleep?" Probably not the first question I'd have asked, but then I'm not Earth's foremost authority on synthetic life so...*shrug*
74) We're doing that whole 'cut from location to location with two conversations in progress' thing again, aren't we? Hey ho.
75) Rios laying it all out for Raffi.
76) Jurati still gushing about Soji right to her face.
77) Noonien Soong (the man who created Data) getting a mention.
78) Soji asking the armour-piercing question after Jurati is done proclaiming her to be an incredible construct and a work of art. "Am I a person?"
79) Rios still telling Raffi what happened.
80) The back-and-forth speeding up a bit. We're back to Soji reiterating her question.
81) Starfleet Security was involved in why Vandermeer committed murder. They threatened to destroy the Ibn Majid with all hands if he disobeyed the order. Sounds very much like Oh's work, or at least the work of someone like her.
82) Rios "went at [Vandermeer] hard...That's when he put the phaser in his mouth and pulled the trigger." Yeah. So, no wonder Rios is a bit of a mess after that.
83) And then he covered up the murders, to protect the ship and crew.
84) The two people who the Ibn Majid found were indeed synths, for those who weren't already here about forever ago.
85) Back with Jurati and Soji. Soji noting that Oh wanted Jurati to kill her, and that she wouldn't give her the opportunity. Jurati replying that she wouldn't take the opportunity if she had it now. Some progress made there then.
86) Alarms going off on the Borg cube, Narissa stalking down the corridor.
87) And she's going on a rampage, killing the xBs.
88) Elnor sharp as a tack :p
89) If Seven has a better plan than 'become temporary queen to the dormant Borg', she'd better come up with it quick.
90) Narissa noting to the centurion that something worse than a whole bunch of Borg is coming if she fails her mission.
91) Looks like Seven didn't, in fact, have a better plan.
92) And too late was the cry...Out into the void they all go.
93) I imagine Seven might be a tiny bit peeved about that.
94) Looks like the crew of the La Sirena are all up-and-about again.
95) "Well...I'm done murdering people." Good to hear, Jurati. Not sure that it'll spare you any jail time, though. Not unless you can prove that Oh 'Manchurian Candidate-d' you.
96) Shades of The Doctor (the Gallifreyan one) and their occasional weird tastes there, peppermint ice-cream and french fries. Rios knows that Soji likes the combo.
97) Raffi now holding the exposition ball.
98) With assists from Jurati.
99) And Picard getting in on the act.
100) Oh stated to be half-and-half Romulan and Vulcan. So, one mystery solved.
101) It's certainly a coldly Romulan approach - engineer the attack on Mars, even though it will doom much of the population of the Romulan Star Empire to death and make certain the end of said Empire. The ends justifying the means in the eyes of the Zhat Vash. Trek As Social Commentary part...oh, wherever the hell we're up to now.
102) Now Rios' turn. And Soji already instinctively knows what the synth emissaries who met up with the Ibn Majid were called - Beautiful Flower and Jana.
103) "How do I know that?" "The same way I know you like to dip french fries in peppermint ice-cream." That really is a grotty habit that the Asha-type synths apparently share.
104) You get the impression that if Narek ever gets within a couple of parsecs of Soji again, she might just decide to see what he looks like inside out...
105) Ah. Soji headed straight for the bridge. And, in a very Data move, anticipated Rios and Raffi coming after her by putting a forcefield up.
106) At least some of the Borg transwarp network is still around then, in spite of the damage that the Voyager crew did to it in that series' finale.
107) Picard noting that maybe it's time to do things Soji's way.
108) Well now. That was a fun moment. Picard plonks himself down in the captains chair, cracks his knuckles and sets to work, the soundtrack goes full Goldsmith...and then he remembers that he doesn't know how to work the computer interface aboard the La Sirena :D
109) Dirty pool Soji, invoking the memory of Jana to get Rios to do what you're asking.
110) Narissa just failed a spot check there. And is piled upon by the remaining xBs. Good thing for her that transporters exist I guess.
111) Off goes the Zhat Vash armada.
112) Seven-as-Borg still in control of the cube.
113) Elnor - "So...are you going to assimilate me now?" Seven - "Annika still has work to do." A rather cool moment. And Seven disconnects from the cube.
114) Picard and Rios doing some reminiscing. And hooray for continuity! Marta Batanides gets referenced. She was a classmate of Picard and Cortan Zweller, they're both seen in the episode "Tapestry". Zweller gets them into a bar fight with some Nausicaans not long after graduating from the Academy, a fight in which Picard was stabbed. Hence his artificial heart.
115) A bit more of Trek As Social Commentary.
116) For those wondering where the optimistic spirit of the classic Trek shows had gone, it's alive and well here with Jean-Luc Picard.
117) Soji still has Kestra's compass in her pocket.
118) Into the transwarp conduit they go. And it looks like Narek caught up.
119) "Next time..." "Brace yourselves!"

A densely-packed episode this one. We get a lot of information, including (finally!) what the Zhat Vash saw that makes them fear synthetic life and (finally!) the full story about what happened with Rios on the USS Ibn Majid. And it turns out there are more synths out there...

Going to focus much of my praise on Santiago Cabrera this time out. The first thing we get after the credits is Rios reacting to Soji like he knows her or as seen her before. And in a way, he has - he met an Asha-type synth while on the Ibn Majid called Jana. This brings back painful memories to the surface, and he shuts himself away for a time.

In a lot of ways, this was a Cabrera episode even more than a Rios one, because we meet the remaining hologram aboard the La Sirena (the Engineer, appropriately enough portrayed as Scottish). It all culminates in a great scene where Raffi collects all five holograms together to try and work out what's going on with Rios:
  • "The Doctor", Emergency Medical Hologram, English
  • "Mister Hospitality", Emergency Hospitality Hologram, a gentler version of Rios' natural voice
  • Emmett, Emergency Tactical Hologram, Spanish
  • Ian, Emergency Engineering Hologram, Scottish
  • Enoch, Emergency Navigational Hologram, Irish
Cabrera, IMO, does a brilliant job making all five of these holograms distinct while at the same time clearly being pieces of the same overarching computer program. And hats off to both him and the director (Maja Vrvilo this time out) for the scene with them all, that was neatly done. Later, as Rios, he does a brilliant job again in the scene with Raffi where he quietly breaks down as he relates to her what happened with his CO on the Ibn Majid. Both he and Michelle Hurd are great there.

After that, Rios pulls himself out of his funk and is back on the bridge in time to have a heart-to-heart with Picard. And here Patrick Stewart gets to go to town. Picard reminiscing about the night watch as an ensign on the USS Reliant is wonderful stuff, but then he really turns it on for the Picard Speech™ to Rios about how Starfleet betrayed them and itself by falling into the Zhat Vash trap with the synth ban. "The past is written, but the future is left for us to write. And we have powerful tools, Rios. Openness. Optimism. And the spirit of curiosity. All they have is secrecy, and fear. And fear is the great destroyer Rios, not...". Not Soji. Isa Briones gets to play her differently this week - no longer searching for answers and only finding more questions, she's put a lot of things together in her head now and is determined to get back to where she came from before the Zhat Vash can get there. Earlier, she gets some lovely quieter moments - with Alison Pill's Jurati in the sickbay, and over lunch with Picard talking about Data. I said in my write-up about the first episode how impressed I was with Briones in those scenes sat across from Patrick Stewart. She's maintaining that even after the character change. Michelle Hurd is great in her scenes with the holograms and then Rios, and then in the big exposition scene when the crew lay out the whole story with each other. And Pill, once Jurati has woken back up, does well showing a broken and remorseful character who briefly lights up when finally confronted by the kind of synthetic life form that she's dreamed of. I'm still not sure how they can get her off the hook for Maddox's death - if they're planning on raising the idea that she was a Manchurian Candidate programmed by Oh, then they're leaving it awfully late. The only other member of the main cast spent the episode basically standing around watching someone else. Evan Evagora's Elnor really doesn't get to do much other than hug Seven after she comes to his rescue, and ask an innocently insensitive question of her (about re-creating a Borg collective on the cube). But Jeri Ryan shines once again, playing Seven and then Seven-as-Borg. I said in my running commentary that if Soji and Narek were ever in close proximity again she might just decide to up and kill him - after this episode, I can't imagine Seven letting Narissa live if they get face-to-face.

Ah yes, Narissa. So, a recurring complaint I've had with this series is that Narissa has been written as a generic, cardboard cutout villain who

might as well be wearing a leather bustier with "I AM EVIL" stitched across the boobs for all the subtlety in the way she's presented

as I put it in another post. And for a brief time in this outing, that changed. We find out that Ramdha (the Romulan xB who Soji saved from killing herself) is the aunt of Narissa and Narek, she took them in after their parents died. She was also present for the Admonition alongside Narissa. Peyton List, briefly, gets handed some material to work with here that isn't just 'shoot everything, smirk, make Evil Pronouncement™, have scene that implies brother-sister incest, shoot everything some more'. I say briefly, because the writing reverts to type after a while. First the shooting rampage killing the xBs, and then the flushing of the remaining Borg-in-stasis out into space. Still, it was nice while it lasted.

And speaking of things that lack subtlety, we again have utterly gratuitous f-bombs dropped by characters. I don't have a problem with swearing at all (I live in Burton, it's basically just used as punctuation around here), but it really ought to make some level of sense. As it stands, it's happening just regularly enough to not have any shock value and irregularly enough to simply feel a bit weird when it happens.

Other stuff...

The VFX team went to town on this one - the beautiful shots of various bits of space, the regenerating Borg cube. Music department were on form again, heading to Goldsmith when appropriate (the moment where Picard briefly takes the captains chair :)). Some neat camera work from the director and filming crew.

Eight down, two to go. If this is all to be wrapped up this season then these final episodes might have to run at breakneck speeds.

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I dunno why tho that she didnt transport the drones back on the cube as they can survive space as seen in First Contact. I felt she gave up a little too early on them.

What was the point of dumping the Borg into space when it's already been shown they can survive in space without space suits? In first contact they were fart assing about on the deflector dish. Could they not all be beamed back in again?

Maybe they weren't adapted for vacuum? In "First Contact" they were out in the vacuum of space as part of a planned EVA to modify the deflector dish, whereas here they were flushed out with little time if any to adapt. And that's if they could adapt, without the full weight of the Collective behind them.

The 8 suns thing, do you remember the first contact episode on tng with the ferengi The Last Outpost? The planet they were on and the guy who was on it spoke of a vast empire and that they could move planets and such or was it create them. I wonder if it might have been those people that made or move the suns in that 8 configuration, the Tkon Empire or something.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tkon_Empire

That was the vibe I got as well. Perhaps the solar engineering will get looked at in one of the remaining episodes (or even season 2), there was clearly no spare time this episode to get to it!
 
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If they were adapted for eva in first contact then surely it would have made sense for them to have some noticable difference to show this? But nope, they looked like run of the mill borg. Just looks like another obvious plot element was overlooked for the sake of having a quick out.

Even beaming them back in was an option as it was implied in voyager they could transport 500 drones into it quickly.
 
This wasn't what I wanted for Jean-Luc Picard. I blame the writers.
We're nearly at the end of the first season, and it's been average at best.

Episode 8 was awful.

The borg should have given the romulans a good hiding, yet they all got sucked out an airlock.....sevens character adds nothing to the story. In fact, I'm not really sure anyones adding anything to the story at the minute.

enough with the f word already, we get it.....yawn.

I'm a bit disappointed with it.

This would have worked better as a computer game, not a tv series.

If the armarda at DS7 brings in the Enterprise E, and it all kicks off big time, then it 'could' end on a decent high and set us up for season 2.....but it won't
 
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I have really enjoyed this so far. It took a while to pick up but once it got going its managed to keep me entertained. I quite enjoy how netflix can take something that was very family orientated (maybe not so much for younger children but certainly for the older kids) and give it a more 'grown up' feel.

Id be interested to see what they could do with something like Stargate :D
 
I have really enjoyed this so far. It took a while to pick up but once it got going its managed to keep me entertained. I quite enjoy how netflix can take something that was very family orientated (maybe not so much for younger children but certainly for the older kids) and give it a more 'grown up' feel.

Id be interested to see what they could do with something like Stargate :D
Netflix?

Grown up feel? This seems a lot more childish brain dead entertainment to me, you sure you are watching the right show :p
 
Netflix?

Grown up feel? This seems a lot more childish brain dead entertainment to me, you sure you are watching the right show :p

Netflix... what was i thinking lol, definitely meant Prime! Getting up 3 or 4 times a night with a newborn is playing havoc with my brain lol.

Either way, I'm not entirely sure which style of television i enjoy more, the original storytelling of the original Treks or this new modern style that is blatantly aimed at a completely new generation of viewers.
 
This seems a lot more childish brain dead entertainment to me

I mean...maybe in places, I guess. Especially whenever the story is with Narissa. But you don't think moments like this go a long way to making up for it?

"The past is written, but the future is left for us to write. And we have powerful tools, Rios. Openness. Optimism. And the spirit of curiosity. All they have is secrecy, and fear. And fear is the great destroyer, Rios"
 
Netflix... what was i thinking lol, definitely meant Prime! Getting up 3 or 4 times a night with a newborn is playing havoc with my brain lol.

Either way, I'm not entirely sure which style of television i enjoy more, the original storytelling of the original Treks or this new modern style that is blatantly aimed at a completely new generation of viewers.
For me there is no comparison. TNG style hands down. Don’t think it ever will be like that again though. That’s ok, I am happy to rewatch it every 4-5 years.


I mean...maybe in places, I guess. Especially whenever the story is with Narissa. But you don't think moments like this go a long way to making up for it?

"The past is written, but the future is left for us to write. And we have powerful tools, Rios. Openness. Optimism. And the spirit of curiosity. All they have is secrecy, and fear. And fear is the great destroyer, Rios"
No, it does not make it up. Not for me anyway.

I just enjoy it as Star Trek in a different universe. As soon as I start comparing it to TNG I feel sad for what has become of Star Trek.
 
For me there is no comparison. TNG style hands down. Don’t think it ever will be like that again though. That’s ok, I am happy to rewatch it every 4-5 years.

I guess for most it was a generational thing, If you grew up with Trek (ToS, TNG etc) then having to see it portrayed in such a different manor can be somewhat debilitating.

For me, I grew up on StarWars and Stargate. I didnt start watching Trek until pretty late on in life so yeah, it does hold a place in my heart, its just not as strong a place as it is for a lot of Trek fans.

Same as you though, I'm happy to sit and binge every couple of years :D
 
Picard's rally cry in Ep8 seems oddly out of place for somebody whos been beaten in to submission for the last 20 years. Which is odd really as that's what we've all wanted from Picard from the start. I cant decide if it's better late than never or a throw away moment we can just forget about next episode..of which there are quite a few!
 
I guess for most it was a generational thing, If you grew up with Trek (ToS, TNG etc) then having to see it portrayed in such a different manor can be somewhat debilitating.

For me, I grew up on StarWars and Stargate. I didnt start watching Trek until pretty late on in life so yeah, it does hold a place in my heart, its just not as strong a place as it is for a lot of Trek fans.

Same as you though, I'm happy to sit and binge every couple of years :D
Yeah :D

I never did watch TOS. Way before my time and I find it hard to watch also, but I did enjoy the movies.
 
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