Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

enkoda said:
Exactly.

It's quite alarming how this has to be explained, maybe if they'd mentioned something about the force being awakened in Rey, perhaps in the title....:D;)
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No one has a problem with her realising she can then do the same thing to a weaker mind. THe issue is that a guy who trained hard for years and got strong enough to best Skywalker, kill all the other students who also were training hard and started to train under a Sith Lord..... got beaten by her about 2 minutes after he started using it on her. She broke into the mind of a trained essentially Jedi/sith master, about 12 seconds after she realised such a thing was even possible.

If she got utterly destroyed and learned nothing from him, THEN later on she tried it on the storm trooper that makes entire sense, besting Kylo mid mind-meld with no training is utterly absurd.

HE 'held her' in place on the planet when capturing her, how did she not learn to break free after 5 seconds of that and then shoot him. When you think about it this is also terrible writing because they wanted her captured but based on her ability in every single other situation in the entire film, it makes no sense because if like everywhere else she is immediately able to match Kylo, why wasn't she able to here? Why about 4 seconds after she picks up her first lightsabre is she fighting well and basically beat again someone who trained for years. Lightsabres are also the tool that is used by jedi/sith to fight when force powers are matched. Remember is it Duku and Yoda, they both try force powers, see they are matched and fall back on their sabre fighting. So this isn't just a "I can do it with my mind" this is a, you need to be practised at fighting but once again she was fine with it.

Also everything in the TFA pointed to her having no trust, no special place, she just gathered scrap in the distance parts of the desert and was treated like scum right? So why does she not only know how to pilot any space craft, why would a nobody ever even be inside that craft before. That alone was dire story telling, but not only is she able to pilot it and know how it works, but she's also the bestest pilot in the universe having in her own words, never done anything like that before.

Throughout the film she is able to do everything as well as people who are the best of the best in their field. The only films that would work in are some sci-fi where someone has no specific memories but has muscle memory for everything and was some kinda super spy who could fly planes and fight like a bad ass, but had his memory wiped for some reason, but that would be explained in the story. In any other type of film someone being an expert and matching everyone is just bad writing and would suck, but we've been shown over and over again in Star Wars that force mastery takes time, effort and dedicated training and they blew that completely out of the water with her mastery of everything immediately.

Her using mind tricks on a naive brain washed storm trooper barely ranks on the list of Mary Sue crap that was in the film.
 
drunkenmaster said:
No one has a problem with her realising she can then do the same thing to a weaker mind. THe issue is that a guy who trained hard for years and got strong enough to best Skywalker, kill all the other students who also were training hard and started to train under a Sith Lord..... got beaten by her about 2 minutes after he started using it on her. She broke into the mind of a trained essentially Jedi/sith master, about 12 seconds after she realised such a thing was even possible.

If she got utterly destroyed and learned nothing from him, THEN later on she tried it on the storm trooper that makes entire sense, besting Kylo mid mind-meld with no training is utterly absurd.

HE 'held her' in place on the planet when capturing her, how did she not learn to break free after 5 seconds of that and then shoot him. When you think about it this is also terrible writing because they wanted her captured but based on her ability in every single other situation in the entire film, it makes no sense because if like everywhere else she is immediately able to match Kylo, why wasn't she able to here? Why about 4 seconds after she picks up her first lightsabre is she fighting well and basically beat again someone who trained for years. Lightsabres are also the tool that is used by jedi/sith to fight when force powers are matched. Remember is it Duku and Yoda, they both try force powers, see they are matched and fall back on their sabre fighting. So this isn't just a "I can do it with my mind" this is a, you need to be practised at fighting but once again she was fine with it.

Also everything in the TFA pointed to her having no trust, no special place, she just gathered scrap in the distance parts of the desert and was treated like scum right? So why does she not only know how to pilot any space craft, why would a nobody ever even be inside that craft before. That alone was dire story telling, but not only is she able to pilot it and know how it works, but she's also the bestest pilot in the universe having in her own words, never done anything like that before.

Throughout the film she is able to do everything as well as people who are the best of the best in their field.

Her using mind tricks on a naive brain washed storm trooper barely ranks on the list of Mary Sue crap that was in the film.
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At least with anakin we had a lore reason why he was so strong. Even then he was bested many times. There is no reason for Rey being so strong, even if she has a similar creation to Anakin. Then of course you have all the other learnt stuff, especially the years of training that padawans had that she didn’t. They can try to write it in still, but it now isn’t believable given the throwaway comments in this film.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
At least with anakin we had a lore reason why he was so strong. Even then he was bested many times. There is no reason for Rey being so strong, even if she has a similar creation to Anakin. Then of course you have all the other learnt stuff, especially the years of training that padawans had that she didn’t. They can try to write it in still, but it now isn’t believable given the throwaway comments in this film.
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Anakin started training late but he was still getting beaten up a decade later then got owned by his more experienced master because he wasn't ready yet.

Then Anakin learned under his Sith Master for another what 20-30 years and kept becoming more powerful.

This is the problem, he trained for decades, everyone else did to become good, she literally matches him straight away in everything.

But piloting and well sword fighting are not jedi skills, they are just skills that jedi reactions can make you better at, yet she is also brilliant at them with zero training, it's insane.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
At least with anakin we had a lore reason why he was so strong. Even then he was bested many times. There is no reason for Rey being so strong, even if she has a similar creation to Anakin. Then of course you have all the other learnt stuff, especially the years of training that padawans had that she didn’t. They can try to write it in still, but it now isn’t believable given the throwaway comments in this film.
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Spot on. There's no explanation for Rey, nothing in Star Wars history comes close to describing what the hell she is, even Anakin as you said.

She goes from being a young isolated scavenger girl on Jakku where she's spent most of her life to, within a matter of days:
  • Wrestling Kylo mentally with the force and winning.
  • Using the force mind trick.
  • Defeating the trained, "super powerful" Kylo in lightsabre combat despite never using one before.
  • Finding and lecturing Jedi Master Luke.
  • Jumping into a darkside cave with NO consequences at all.
  • Beating Luke in a brief scuff.
  • Killing elite trained throne room guards with barely any training and helping Kylo defeat his.
  • Lifting not one or two but a whole cliff face of rocks.
This happens all within a few days and it doesn't mention everything else she's great at.

They had the opportunity in Episode VIII to explain Rey after TFA and I was super excited to find out about her and how they where going to weave her into the lore and mythology because there was huge potential in her character. But nope, lets just ignore everything :o

It's pretty clear now they're watering it down and tried to BS us with the whole "Let go of the past so you can become something better." They honestly think fans are ******* stupid, its why the smear campaign happened to try and quash criticism as misogynistic and racist. Even the director on twitter came out and said something along the lines of "If I hadn't done what I did, Star Wars wouldn't be relevant in the future." :rolleyes:

I just wish they'd have seen out the episodic movies with a bang and honoured the past. Then they could have said, "Right, we're going to do something new." I'm sure people would have accepted it to a much better degree instead of being given the middle finger.
 
That review gives me the impression that Johnson was really, really terrified of screwing up a Star Wars film, so he set out to make a film that wasn't Star Wars. That way he can't screw up Star Wars, can he? That excerpt of him saying he makes films that half the people hate and half the people love just shows how he's simply a contrarian, going against expectations simply to go against expectations, rather than because it's the right thing to do.

The reviewer's explanation of how the film is laid out like a comedy (with evidence from the scenes that were cut), the disconnects in the storyline, the multiple storylines all running together, none of which are a main storyline, the distinction between a character overcoming an obstacle, and being/doing dumb things, etc. It's a brilliant review and deconstruction of TLJ, and worth watching even though it's nearly an hour long.
 
These Plinkett reviews are great, the prequels ones for the off the wall comedy in the review itself but the TFA and TLJ ones really dissect the subject matter excellently. They make a nice point in the TFA one at how much more ambitious Lucas was in the prequels even if it failed than JJ was in TFA.
 
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