Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

PlacidCasual said:
I agree and I'm inclined to put Solo in second place, TFA made me tingle the first time I watched even as I recognised it as horribly flawed. Solo is ironically a much more coherent film not earth shattering but nicely done.
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I was deeply concerned when I walked into the cinema to see Solo; after the travesty that was TLJ, it was to be the Star Wars film's last chance at producing something I would consider watching. Luckily for me, I thought Solo was a brilliant effort. I loved how they managed to put forward ideas that explained and consolidated things that SW fans had only dreamed about for years. The Kessel Run thing was actually really cool and I thought it explained the 12 parsecs/ measure of distance, not time thing wonderfully. However, unfortunately thanks to the travesty that was TLJ, not enough people went to see Solo and it is viewed by Disney as a flop. Now, the Obi Wan Kenobi film, and all other side story Star Wars films are on hold.

Oh.... and Leia Poppins?!?!!? Do one!!!

Thanks Rian Johnson.
 
@Julian Jones I have to agree making fuel a thing is stupid there is no foreshadowing of this in any of the canon before TLJ. I had always imagine that power plants were like nuclear reactors and only very rarely needed refuelling, fuel might be expensive or scarce but not needed often you certainly didn't refuel on your way anywhere. Solo's plot would still have worked had this been the case but TLJ's just created a massive divergence for the sake of a nonsensical plot device to service a dull stupid plot with a number of other plot holes that should have seen it in the paper basket long before it got to the screen.
 
The reveal of Reys parents irritated me the most. It was just ridiculous. I will still see episode 9, but whatever happens I won’t enjoy it as much as too much has now been screwed up. For the first time ever in all 8 films I actually don’t care what happens next. I would say bring on a new triology, but I feel the Star Wars I loved is finished under Disney.
 
The thing i find sad is Lucas gave SW to the wrong person, Kennedy just comes across as totally indifferent to the lore and story and more preoccupied with what kind of people are watching it. I would have said give it to Kevin Smith ffs as he regularly masturbated over SW, but he's actually given the finger to the older fans saying they dont understand TLJ....yeah Disney bought your review Kev.
 
PlacidCasual said:
@Julian Jones I have to agree making fuel a thing is stupid there is no foreshadowing of this in any of the canon before TLJ. I had always imagine that power plants were like nuclear reactors and only very rarely needed refuelling, fuel might be expensive or scarce but not needed often you certainly didn't refuel on your way anywhere. Solo's plot would still have worked had this been the case but TLJ's just created a massive divergence for the sake of a nonsensical plot device to service a dull stupid plot with a number of other plot holes that should have seen it in the paper basket long before it got to the screen.
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the fuel wasn't a big deal imo, but what was stopping the 'empire' jumping ahead to cut off the 'rebels'? They weren't out of 'magical hyperspace fuel'.
I'll tell you - bad writing!
The whole thing makes no sense what-so-ever.
 
aardvark said:
the fuel wasn't a big deal imo, but what was stopping the 'empire' jumping ahead to cut off the 'rebels'? They weren't out of 'magical hyperspace fuel'.
I'll tell you - bad writing!
The whole thing makes no sense what-so-ever.
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Or what was stopping other star destroyers coming the other way to trap them in the middle? Just so many things wrong with that stupid "chase" sequence that was the bulk of the movie. And the whole "they cant outrun us but they can stay at a range where our weapons are ineffective" was also derpy. Seems like a plot that was made up when the writers were on crack.
 
Grandmaster Fap! said:
The thing i find sad is Lucas gave SW to the wrong person, Kennedy just comes across as totally indifferent to the lore and story and more preoccupied with what kind of people are watching it. I would have said give it to Kevin Smith ffs as he regularly masturbated over SW, but he's actually given the finger to the older fans saying they dont understand TLJ....yeah Disney bought your review Kev.
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Nah, I think he likely just got bored of them all moaning about it like the rest of us have xD
 
Grandmaster Fap! said:
The thing i find sad is Lucas gave SW to the wrong person, Kennedy just comes across as totally indifferent to the lore and story and more preoccupied with what kind of people are watching it. I would have said give it to Kevin Smith ffs as he regularly masturbated over SW, but he's actually given the finger to the older fans saying they dont understand TLJ....yeah Disney bought your review Kev.
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kevin smith hasn't been able to have an objective opinion for decades, i don't know why people think he's relevant (or talented)
 
CaptainRAVE said:
The reveal of Reys parents irritated me the most. It was just ridiculous. I will still see episode 9, but whatever happens I won’t enjoy it as much as too much has now been screwed up. For the first time ever in all 8 films I actually don’t care what happens next. I would say bring on a new triology, but I feel the Star Wars I loved is finished under Disney.
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There was so much that was set up, and so much hype around it, that was needlessly swatted aside in TLJ. For ages, all we heard was "Who is Snoke? Is he actually Darth Plagieus? Who are Rey's parents?.... just to have it all destroyed without a single thought; Snoke killed off - which made him totally pointless, Rey's parents are nobodies (although I'm hoping this may have been some kind of rouse on Kylo Renn's part) Luke's involvement full stop, my heart sank into my shoes when he threw the lightsaber over his shoulder, like it was supposed to be funny but just wasn't.

Then, the whole casino planet section was totally pointless, it yielded no resolve to the plot and was just pretty rubbish. The fuel thing was tenuous to say the least, it just didn't work.

I could go on and on...
 
Nitefly said:
I liked that Rey's parents were nobodies - it was an unexpected outcome.
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Especially after all the massive and sustained buildup speculating on Rey's origins in TFA. :rolleyes:

Johnson went too far in "doing the unexpected" for just about everything. He trashed every plot point that had been set up in TFA, just to be contrary.
 
Nitefly said:
I liked that Rey's parents were nobodies - it was an unexpected outcome.
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Just like it was unexpected that Luke was a grumpy old man.
Just like it was unexpected that the codebreaker betrayed them and made their whole side plot pointless.
Just like it was unexpected that Holdo had a plan all along and that Poe was "wrong" (in quotes because, well, he was right.
Just like it was unexpected that Kylo killed Snoke after 5 minutes on screen.

The whole film is like this and done so for no other reason than to go against what people thought would happen and spit on the entire story of TFA.
 
Moothead2 said:
Just like it was unexpected that Luke was a grumpy old man
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Luke being a grumpy old man can totally work but it needed far more exposition - which is one reason the movie is so bad. So much potential with Rey's storyline there they could have used to give some real impact to Luke being how he was and better portrayed.
 
Rroff said:
Luke being a grumpy old man can totally work but it needed far more exposition - which is one reason the movie is so bad. So much potential with Rey's storyline there they could have used to give some real impact to Luke being how he was and better portrayed.
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Being an angry, bitter old man who's cut himself off from the force could work very well I agree, but Johnson played on it for laughs rather than any serious character building.
 
Moothead2 said:
Just like it was unexpected that Luke was a grumpy old man.
Just like it was unexpected that the codebreaker betrayed them and made their whole side plot pointless.
Just like it was unexpected that Holdo had a plan all along and that Poe was "wrong" (in quotes because, well, he was right.
Just like it was unexpected that Kylo killed Snoke after 5 minutes on screen.

The whole film is like this and done so for no other reason than to go against what people thought would happen and spit on the entire story of TFA.
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Unexpected gravity in space ;)
Making the entire opening scene upper twaddle also.
Although the planet killer in the first film killing lots of planets who happily were all in the same system leading to first order gaining the upper hand was utter twaddle too.

Physics consultant was the parsecs guy, now in his 90s knows nothing about physics.
 
aardvark said:
the problem is that it doesn't ADD anything to the story - it subverts our expectations but is ultimately NOTHING, it doesn't further the character or the story, it simply ends it.
Bad writing.
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I don’t think so, quite the opposite for the purposes of the next instalment - that scene, and the final scene with the broom, heavily implied that lineage was not the be all and end all with the force. I think that opens everything up and I’m particular the force will stop being so black and white ‘Jedi and Sith’ and something more nuanced. That makes me intrigued for the next instalment.

I mean, what would any particular lineage actually add? It’s apples and oranges, different but intriguing in their own ways.

Sorry you can’t get enjoy the alternative. I’ve never been ‘precious’ over these films or put them on any sort of pedestal but I enjoy them for what they are. When TFA came out everyone was slating it for being unoriginal (again, I enjoyed it for what it was) and we were all craving something new with the TLJ - the new comes along and mixes it up and everybody says ‘this wasn’t exactly what we wanted booo’. I don’t think they can win tbh.

The best thing they can do to extend the time between films and give them chance to breathe.
 
Nitefly said:
I don’t think so, quite the opposite for the purposes of the next instalment - that scene, and the final scene with the broom, heavily implied that lineage was not the be all and end all with the force. I think that opens everything up and I’m particular the force will stop being so black and white ‘Jedi and Sith’ and something more nuanced. That makes me intrigued for the next instalment.
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But we knew that already. We've known there are thousands of Jedi in the past days of the Republic.

Nitefly said:
I mean, what would any particular lineage actually add? It’s apples and oranges, different but intriguing in their own ways.
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A link to the past characters and films. A familial destiny to follow or reject. An explanation for Rey that would prevent her being a Mary Sue. An origin story that tells us where the character comes from. Just as the prequels tell us where Anakin, Luke, and Leia come from, a history and origin are much more satisfying than a blank space full of nothing. Luke's redemption of his father in RotJ is stronger because we know his father was tempted by, and fell to the dark side, where Luke resists. Luke's history and story runs back through his father's, and it's a stronger narrative for that reason. Luke's temptation is not just to the dark side, but also to the father he's never known, to a place where he can belong, to a dark destiny. He resists because he's also got family in the form of Leia and his friends, his dedication to the Rebellion, doing right by his Jedi training and the memory of Obi-wan and Yoda. Take one side of that away, and you fundamentally unbalance the character and his story.

Nitefly said:
Sorry you can’t get enjoy the alternative. I’ve never been ‘precious’ over these films or put them on any sort of pedestal but I enjoy them for what they are. When TFA came out everyone was slating it for being unoriginal (again, I enjoyed it for what it was) and we were all craving something new with the TLJ - the new comes along and mixes it up and everybody says ‘this wasn’t exactly what we wanted booo’. I don’t think they can win tbh.

The best thing they can do to extend the time between films and give them chance to breathe.
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Me too. I enjoyed TFA, it was a good start to a new trilogy, but the second movie trashed everything that was started there. TLJ was just badly written with a poor story and structure. TLJ doesn't build on TFA, or any of the previous films, it just tears it down and leaves rubble.
 
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I watched TFA again last night in preparation for TLJ with the wife. It’s not a bad film until the Rey interrogation and she goes all Mary Sue and can do anything better than everyone with no training. Rey’s parents were a chance to at least make some sense of this. If they had suggested some prior training, living with trainee Jedi or something you could swallow her being ridiculously powerful a tiny touch easier. RJ bins any chance of a sensible back story and we have to swallow the stupid I can do anything without training plot. Bonkers, immersion breaking nonsense.
 
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