Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

mid_gen said:
I didn't avoid Solo because I was in a rage about TLJ, I didn't go and see Solo because I have no interest in paying for what looks like a lame-ass fanservice circle-jerk. I'll catch it when it's free on a streaming service.
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Solo is definitely more than this, it's a much better attempt at doing something that fits into the established SW universe than just fanservice. Besides, if it was fanservice, let's not forget that it's the fans that have elevated SW to what it is today. To not keep them interested is to destroy what we all love.

Red letter media guy did a pretty good job of laying out everything that was wrong with TLJ, did he have to do it in a silly voice? Not sure.
 
Nothing wrong with fanservice sure....but it's disingenious to blame Solo's poor showing on fan outrage at TLJ.

Solo, the trailer especially, just isn't appealing. It looks like a cheap cash-in, like the sort of film you'd *really* have to care about the back story of Han Solo to enjoy.

Whereas Rogue One looked like, and was, a 'proper' Rebels vs the Empire Star Wars space opera with some new characters in it....that's much more appealing.
 
The marketing for Solo wasn’t great and they really couldn’t do much until TLJ dropped out of the cinema in like February.

They should have pushed the release back IMO, it would have done much better.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
The marketing for Solo wasn’t great and they really couldn’t do much until TLJ dropped out of the cinema in like February.

They should have pushed the release back IMO, it would have done much better.
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i'm not so sure, i just don't think people needed or wanted to see a young han solo, just like they don't want a different indiana jones etc. - leave these characters alone and do something new (something that isn't garbage like TLJ)
 
I think the problem with the solo film is that Harrison Ford IS Han Solo and nobody else can be.

That certainly has been one of the reasons I haven't seen it yet.

Well, that and the fact that Last Jedi was an utter abomination.

Disney have left a bad taste in my mouth over their treatment of the star wars franchise so far (rogue one withstanding).
 
My take on Solo is that, apart from long term fans, which "non-SW fan" viewers actually wanted to see a "pre-SW" Han Solo movie?

I mean Lucasfilm had just seriously peeved off a good portion of it's Fanbase with TLJ and then you add the studios reaction to any criticism of it by calling those same fans, the ones Lucasfilm "needed" to see their "fan service" film, a bunch of nasty names - Is it any wonder it did so badly?
 
The thing is - TLJ was still too fresh in everyone's memory when Solo was released (out of schedule). In one swift move Disney execs sacrificed otherwise quite passible SW story AND destroyed one of the best play cards they had - the new tradition of SW movie for Christmas. If they released in for Christmas, as originally planned, we would probably by then forgiven them for our beloved OT SW characters getting johnsoned so badly in TLJ...
 
IvanDobskey said:
I think the problem with the solo film is that Harrison Ford IS Han Solo and nobody else can be.

That certainly has been one of the reasons I haven't seen it yet.

Well, that and the fact that Last Jedi was an utter abomination.

Disney have left a bad taste in my mouth over their treatment of the star wars franchise so far (rogue one withstanding).
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This pretty much sums up my thoughts. I was a huge Star Wars fan growing up and simply couldn’t give two ***** about the Solo movie.
 
Domo said:
This pretty much sums up my thoughts. I was a huge Star Wars fan growing up and simply couldn’t give two ***** about the Solo movie.
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Exactly, I was a huge fan growing up as a kid. It makes my skin crawl to see what Disney are doing to the franchise :(

I just have to accept that it isn't really aimed at the old school fans anymore. It's aimed at the new generation of movie goers.

Such a shame :(
 
I had literally 0 interest in Solo, but was offered a free viewing on the opening day so went and saw it and i came away surprised how much I enjoyed it. Maybe it's because i had no expectations at all going into it but I did it enjoy it, not as much as Rogue One but not far off
 
aardvark said:
if it was a new franchise then fine, but its a sequel - and if you crap all over the original then star wars is going to stop being the cash cow disney is hoping for.
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Well, it's more like a competitor for the guardians of the galaxy series now if you ask me.

That is the audience they are aiming for now. Not us old school fans.

I'm trying to erase force awakens and last Jedi from my memory now and just remember the originals.
 
IvanDobskey said:
Well, it's more like a competitor for the guardians of the galaxy series now if you ask me.

That is the audience they are aiming for now. Not us old school fans.

I'm trying to erase force awakens and last Jedi from my memory now and just remember the originals.
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I didn't find TFA too bad - visually they'd got the aesthetic down well, story was a bit hit and miss and needed some work but overall it felt like they were getting there and it was building upto something - in the light of which you could forgive some missteps if they built on top of that... then TLJ dropped...

If they'd held their hands up and said yeah we've got it wrong - lets scratch this one from history and try again I'd have given them a pass but instead they've tried to defend it, tried to turn it around on the audience (a sure sign you've messed up) and shown they've not learnt from what worked and didn't work.

EDIT: And to be frank I for one wouldn't have been that upset if they'd made a good movie while taking a dump on the original franchise - I've always been in it for the escapism and not really invested in the "Star Wars" thing - but they didn't - its purely a sequence of increasingly more stupid scenes one after another.
 
Rroff said:
I didn't find TFA too bad - visually they'd got the aesthetic down well, story was a bit hit and miss and needed some work but overall it felt like they were getting there and it was building upto something - in the light of which you could forgive some missteps if they built on top of that... then TLJ dropped...

If they'd held their hands up and said yeah we've got it wrong - lets scratch this one from history and try again I'd have given them a pass but instead they've tried to defend it, tried to turn it around on the audience (a sure sign you've messed up) and shown they've not learnt from what worked and didn't work.
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Initially I was quite enjoying the force awakens, but about half way through the film, I turned to the Mrs and said 'you know, we've seen all this somewhere before'. And from then on, I just got more and more annoyed with what I was seeing. It was more of a reboot than a completely new film.

I guess at least last Jedi was more of an original film, but that's where the good points end. The whole thing was a total mess. Story and characterization just awful. I really don't think they could have done much worse a job to be honest.

Rogue one was actually pretty decent though. Should have given last Jedi to Gareth Edwards to direct.
 
Everything wrong with the current SW franchise is summed up by that character in the thumbnail. Whats so annoying is that up until TFA, Disney was a class studio that could do no wrong, everything they released was a good quaility product. They haven't put a step wrong with there own animated movies, Pixar and the MCU. But they just can't seem to get Star Wars right (with the only exception of Rouge One)

It's all turned into a Diversity and SJW mess and they can't seem to snap themselves out of it. Solo is no where near as bad as some made out to be and i would put it above the current trilogy but to be honest they just need to scap the whole thing and start again.
 
robgmun said:
Everything wrong with the current SW franchise is summed up by that character in the thumbnail. Whats so annoying is that up until TFA, Disney was a class studio that could do no wrong, everything they released was a good quaility product. They haven't put a step wrong with there own animated movies, Pixar and the MCU. But they just can't seem to get Star Wars right (with the only exception of Rouge One)

It's all turned into a Diversity and SJW mess and they can't seem to snap themselves out of it. Solo is no where near as bad as some made out to be and i would put it above the current trilogy but to be honest they just need to scap the whole thing and start again.
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All those studios are pretty much run as subsidiaries, with Disney having oversight, but the creative control being mostly with the people at the top of Pixar and Marvel. The difference with Lucasfilm is that it's being run by Kathleen Kennedy, and she's obviously been promoted above her ability. Not just all the SJW agenda, but bad decisions like letting Johnson throw away the story arc and do his own thing, the lack of any coherent oversight of the Star Wars universe in the movies, alienation of fans, etc. The films are a mess because the person at the top of Lucasfilm is doing a really bad job, and that's carrying on down the whole company/production.
 
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