I disagree. I’m exceptionally tired of the “righteous heroes win over evil baddies (led by a big mega baddie) against impossible odds in legendary style” formula. I’m really glad it went against that in several aspects:
- Film dabbled with good and bad on both sides, for the first time in the main canon (although it came up also in Rogue One)
- The casino side quest being slapped down as futile. This really bugs some people for some reason... Again, I like it.
- The legendary skyWalker was a damp squib
- The big baddie got a surprising instadeath
- Intriguing moments with Ray and Kylo... a genuine moment of uncertainty as to whether Ray would join forces with Kylo.
- Rebel forces shown to be extremely vulnerable for the first time since TESB.
I LIKED that there were not formulaic / clever ‘plot twists’. It was all the over the place and just a bit less storybook and, you know... more ‘real’. The film just ‘was’. And it was really refreshing as a result.
That is not to say that there aren’t fair criticisms!
This is where my biggest complaints are and this lets me explain it better than earlier attempts - the film didn't really dabble with good and bad on both sides - there was little structure to it, minimal attempt, some exceptions aside, to develop characters upto the kind of motivations that would explain it and often inconsistency where it wanted to go with that from one scene to another.
The legendary Skywalker being a damp squib doesn't really make much sense it doesn't fit the character development and pretty much the core of what Starwars is about. Sure not being the answer is believable but where they went with it and how it was handled wasn't.
That it was all over the place wasn't in any kind of organic or realworld way - even with some roughness and things not working out in a polished Hollywood way you still need the threads the join things together - the all over the place largely came from the director cribbing from various scenes from other movies and ramming them into the movie using the characters that best fit.
You are doing an awful lot of retconning what was really a mishmash of movie ideas rammed into the Starwars universe with little real care.
EDIT: The bigger problem though is that by and large the Starwars fanbase doesn't want their expectations subverted atleast not in this way regardless of how well it was or wasn't done so it is a massive misunderstanding of its audience even if a good film in its own right (which it isn't).
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