Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

[VincentHanna]

Your position doesn't make much sense as 'The Force Awakens' and 'Rogue One' were received very well

Why would you not give them a chance? Did you boycott the prequels in 99/2002/2005?

 

[mid_gen]

Not true i have boycotted them all and will never ever have anything to do with them again, It is basically a dead franchise to me but i post the odd time just to get it out of my system that they ruined all my franchises by listening to social media whiners.

So to protest against them listening to social media whiners, you whine on social media?

 

[Rofflay]

Your position doesn't make much sense as 'The Force Awakens' and 'Rogue One' were received very well

Why would you not give them a chance? Did you boycott the prequels in 99/2002/2005?

Well Anakin was played by a wooden Australian and yea it bothered me but i enjoy them i actually will buy that second trilogy alongside the first in 4k HDR when that happens.


That is where it died for me, Also mid_gen this is not social media is it? I mean Facebook and Twitter the stuff phone zombies use and no believe it or not i have no accounts on social media i boycotted that as well and look how right i was about that.

 

[VincentHanna]

That is where it died for me, Also mid_gen this is not social media is it?

They aren't dissimilar.

 

[uncle_rufus]

They aren't dissimilar.

It's mostly the annonymity that provides the difference, assuming you don't intentionally or accidentally provide the details of who you are IRL, likewise on Reddit which is why I find both so much more tolerable. The same sort of behaviour exists but somehow it's "not as bad" because of that detachment. Yes you can come on here and brag (humblebrag or otherwise) but you don't know these people, the image you are trying to cultivate is semi-pointless because it's the "street cred" of a nameless faceless entity online. You can speak your mind knowing that that the "real" you is protected from the repercussions (vs having everything you say permanently attached to your actual identity - hence how we get keyboard warriors and the like)

But back to Star Wars... I think part of you does still care Rofflay, and would be willing to buy into the franchise again under the right circumstances (perhaps the next trilogy which seems like it'll be a relatively clean slate)... You wouldn't come back and post about it if it was truly dead to you forever

 

[mid_gen]

I don't understand the whole concept of 'buying into a franchise'.

Is it not enough to just watch a film and either enjoy it, or not? I've never understood the idea of becoming emotionally invested in a brand.

 

[aardvark]

I don't understand the whole concept of 'buying into a franchise'.

Is it not enough to just watch a film and either enjoy it, or not? I've never understood the idea of becoming emotionally invested in a brand.

yeah this - i like the originals because they are good films.
I used to think i was a star wars fan but now there are more bad sw films than good ones so i don't think i ever was really, just of well made movies.

 

[VincentHanna]

I don't understand the whole concept of 'buying into a franchise'.

Is it not enough to just watch a film and either enjoy it, or not? I've never understood the idea of becoming emotionally invested in a brand.

I'd say i'm invested in the MCU. Not to say I get emotional watching them but is a lot of them there is a 'goosebump' moment and I had a lump in my throat and a tear during End Game.

yeah this - i like the originals because they are good films.
I used to think i was a star wars fan but now there are more bad sw films than good ones so i don't think i ever was really, just of well made movies.

Same, my youthful "fandom" of Star Wars pretty much disappeared after the prequels. I think they are worse than all the latest movies to be honest.

 

[checjb]

I'm with you Rooflay. I didn't bother going to see Solo and watched it round a mates for free. Ep 9 is the first of the trilogy films (1-9) that I will not have watched in the cinema. I've got zero excitement for it after all the damage they've done to the franchise. I'm not wasting another penny supporting Disney's abasement of SW. I'm a huge fan of the OT, PT and CW but I won't pay for anything more because it just fuels Disney's ruination of it all. IMO they never saw it as something of artistic & cultural value, just as a cash-cow of endless financial value. The evidence of that is the complete disregard to planning out the sequel trilogy.
And I don't think that we're alone, given the reception of Solo and the photos of the nearly empty Galaxy's Edge. And that's even taking into account that I heard a very expensive sounding advert for Galaxy's Edge on my local radio station in North Herts.

 

[MookJong]

I knew SW was dead after about 20 minutes into The Force Awakens at the cinema.

Are there people who were blinded by TFA at the time who now realise how poor it actually was as a continuation of the original Trilogy? I remember coming on here the week the TFA came out telling people they had blown it, but I seemed to be in a minority at that time. Now the majority seem to think the franchise has indeed been undermined....what changed? Are their still people who like TFA but hated The Last Jedi?

I can see why The Last Jedi is hated more, but for me it makes little difference as TFA was so far off the mark as far as I was concerned that the magic was gone. I also really dislike the prequels and so this Trilogy having original characters was what I had banked my hopes on restoring some of the chemistry and magic.

I feel extremely sorry for Mark Hamill who clearly hates the writing and was co-opted into something not fitting of his characters legacy. To think of what could have been...what an utter mess.

 

[steve5424]

Star Wars is not dead. Just because you have grown out of it or don't enjoy it. I have really enjoyed Rogue One, Solo and episodes 7 and 8.

I look forward to 9 and how they are going to round off the trilogy.

 

[ianh]

Are there people who were blinded by TFA at the time who now realise how poor it actually was as a continuation of the original Trilogy? I remember coming on here the week the TFA came out telling people they had blown it, but I seemed to be in a minority at that time. Now the majority seem to think the franchise has indeed been undermined....what changed? Are their still people who like TFA but hated The Last Jedi?

I'm kind of one of those people. At first viewing it "felt" like a Star Wars movie again after the CGI-fest of the prequels and I loved that "feeling" it gave me. I watched it about 4-5 times and it was only by the 3-4th time that I started to see all the flaws others had mentioned.

I still believe that I understand the film better than many of the negative viewers but I've had to almost make-up my own fan fiction to explain situations which I think make sense but others don't see the same way. Despite that I can see the flaws very clearly yet, withy my own additions, I don't mind it.

 

[VincentHanna]

I knew SW was dead after about 20 minutes into The Force Awakens at the cinema.

Are there people who were blinded by TFA at the time who now realise how poor it actually was as a continuation of the original Trilogy? I remember coming on here the week the TFA came out telling people they had blown it, but I seemed to be in a minority at that time. Now the majority seem to think the franchise has indeed been undermined....what changed? Are their still people who like TFA but hated The Last Jedi?

I can see why The Last Jedi is hated more, but for me it makes little difference as TFA was so far off the mark as far as I was concerned that the magic was gone. I also really dislike the prequels and so this Trilogy having original characters was what I had banked my hopes on restoring some of the chemistry and magic.

I feel extremely sorry for Mark Hamill who clearly hates the writing and was co-opted into something not fitting of his characters legacy. To think of what could have been...what an utter mess.

Honestly, when I saw TFA it was with friends at the IMAX at Leicester Square I thought it was really good. I saw it again a week later and it wasn't quite as good but I still liked it.

Then I watched it for a third time at home, just before TLJ was released, and I thought it was actually quite average.

I'd still rather watch it than Episodes 1-3 though....

 

[Rroff]

Are there people who were blinded by TFA at the time who now realise how poor it actually was as a continuation of the original Trilogy? I remember coming on here the week the TFA came out telling people they had blown it, but I seemed to be in a minority at that time. Now the majority seem to think the franchise has indeed been undermined....what changed? Are their still people who like TFA but hated The Last Jedi?

I don't think people were blind to the problems with TFA but it did get a lot of things right despite the problems and people forgave it thinking they'd build on that and the next 2 movies would improve on what they had started... then TLJ happened.

 

[Meddling-Monk]

I knew SW was dead after about 20 minutes into The Force Awakens at the cinema.

Saw the issues around the same time , but...

Are there people who were blinded by TFA at the time who now realise how poor it actually was as a continuation of the original Trilogy? I remember coming on here the week the TFA came out telling people they had blown it, but I seemed to be in a minority at that time. Now the majority seem to think the franchise has indeed been undermined....what changed? Are their still people who like TFA but hated The Last Jedi?

I wasn't blinded, as I was able to see how it can potentially be taken further if it was handled well. I still watch TFA along with the rest (1-6). There's been a huge gap since OT to this ST so some issues can be expected to be inevitible in order to keep the feel of Star Wars (sort of a soft reboot to the entire franchise) to get people excited again. Then Last Jedi dropped, where it killed every story point that could be used from TFA and gave no points to progress itself... and of course, killed any semblance of worthwhile story (and continuity) from OT and PT if you stick with the new ST. And so the sequel trilogy was over, and the Franchise. As there was nowhere else to go that you would want to see on film.

I can see why The Last Jedi is hated more, but for me it makes little difference as TFA was so far off the mark as far as I was concerned that the magic was gone. I also really dislike the prequels and so this Trilogy having original characters was what I had banked my hopes on restoring some of the chemistry and magic.

I like the PT enough. TPM wasn't that bad a deal for me as the first of the PT, but it really needed the other films following it to make sure the PT landed for the story of Anakin and his fall. But then we had teen angst in AOTC, which was largely continued in ROTS. And that kinda broke that Trilogy. If the fall wasn't a big point, it would have been questionably lucky if it got to that point (telling how Anakain fell) by ROTS at all.

I don't think people were blind to the problems with TFA but it did get a lot of things right despite the problems and people forgave it thinking they'd build on that and the next 2 movies would improve on what they had started... then TLJ happened.

This basically. TFA wasn't flawless, but it had enough Star Wars on a "I haven't see you in YEARS, are you still the same?" basis and enough setup for its own stories by the end of TFA that the flaws are acceptable for the film in question given the huge time gap since seeing it again. It was when TLJ dropped when everything fell apart.

 

[aardvark]

This basically. TFA wasn't flawless, but it had enough Star Wars on a "I haven't see you in YEARS, are you still the same?" basis and enough setup for its own stories by the end of TFA that the flaws are acceptable for the film in question given the huge time gap since seeing it again. It was when TLJ dropped when everything fell apart.

yeah i agree - i liked tfa because the characters where good and i actually cared about them. Sure it had a lot of problems but it was a safe option and i assumed now we had that under the belt they can really get going with tlj - but no, they threw anything good away and left us with crap.
I guess thats why i don't care about the new film - its supposed to be the end of the trilogy but where do they even go from here? nothing good was set up in tlj so what can they do??? a boring rylo vs ray and emperor ghost vs luke ghost, and some boring crap for the rest of the characters.

 

[Nitefly]

I dunno... I didn’t feel like TFA had any interesting villains. Kylo was way more interesting in TLJ.

Also I tend to love any film that subverts my expectations, which TLJ did in many ways (whether you liked it or not) so I was prone to liking it.

There is only one genuinely really really good Star Wars film IMO; TESB. Everything else hovers in the ‘good <——> watchable’ mark.

 

[Rroff]

Also I tend to love any film that subverts my expectations, which TLJ did in many ways (whether you liked it or not) so I was prone to liking it.

It was all very cheap subversion no clever twists or taking the time to develop something interesting, etc. infact at times it was almost mean spirited using the obvious opposite that would most upset as if disdainful of or almost vindictive towards the fans that take the universe a bit too seriously.

 

[Nitefly]

It was all very cheap subversion no clever twists or taking the time to develop something interesting, etc. infact at times it was almost mean spirited using the obvious opposite that would most upset as if disdainful of or almost vindictive towards the fans that take the universe a bit too seriously.

I disagree. I’m exceptionally tired of the “righteous heroes win over evil baddies (led by a big mega baddie) against impossible odds in legendary style” formula. I’m really glad it went against that in several aspects:

- Film dabbled with good and bad on both sides, for the first time in the main canon (although it came up also in Rogue One)

- The casino side quest being slapped down as futile. This really bugs some people for some reason... Again, I like it.

- The legendary skyWalker was a damp squib

- The big baddie got a surprising instadeath

- Intriguing moments with Ray and Kylo... a genuine moment of uncertainty as to whether Ray would join forces with Kylo.

- Rebel forces shown to be extremely vulnerable for the first time since TESB.

I LIKED that there were not formulaic / clever ‘plot twists’. It was all the over the place and just a bit less storybook and, you know... more ‘real’. The film just ‘was’. And it was really refreshing as a result.

That is not to say that there aren’t fair criticisms!

 

[Efour]

Time travel, the last Jedi.