Star Wars VIII : The Last Jedi [WARNING: SPOILERS]

What about the 'map to Skywalker' from the previous film? It was a huge part of the plot now it's not even mentioned.

In the first space battle, why are they using World War I bomber tactics? The whole battle, from start to end, was cringeworthy.

Why does the moron general repeat the Ben's orders during the mine seige? It reminded me of Gwen from Galaxy quest.

Why does Finn exist? Why does his new Asian sidekick exist?

Why is Ben constantly constipated?

Most importantly, who are these characters, what do they want, what drives them?

Other than some visuals n Yoda's scenes, everything was mediocre, bad or ridiculous.
 
Zethor said:
What about the 'map to Skywalker' from the previous film? It was a huge part of the plot now it's not even mentioned.
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Rey used the map at the end of TFA to reach Luke, the final scene was Rey holding out the lightsaber to Luke. This is where the scene in TLJ picked up.
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Zethor said:
What about the 'map to Skywalker' from the previous film?

Why does Finn exist? Why does his new Asian sidekick exist?
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I was under the impression that they wanted to kill Luke, but that’s obviously a burnt bridge now.

Finn = black man

Rose = Asian woman

Woman with purple hair = LGBT demographic

In this PC limp wristed world there has to be one of every kind!
 
Mak3R said:
I found it interesting that this was the first use of
Shields actually sheilding, as in on the big rebel cruiser. How many times in past movies have you heard "shields up" or "concentrate rear shields" etc only for said ship to be instantly blown up by anything from a small fighter to a big cruiser. It was something I always wondered about in these movies, why shields always seemed useless.
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Mon cal cruisers are particularly known for their amazing shields in star wars universe
 
Absolutely loved it. Just loved it and will be seeing it again first chance I get. Was it perfect? No, but none of the Star Wars movies are and this was the best in the franchise since Empire for me.

Also, the Porgs were barely in it and even I found myself chuckling a little despite going in wanting to hate everything about them.

There was actually quite a bit of humour in it and despite being quite prominent in some quite serious parts of the movie, oddly enough ,really worked for me.

The more I think back and remember last night,the more I love that film.
 
umm, don't know, mixed feelings, did enjoy it, but ahhh, left wanting to like it more than i really did, not a good sign. Also kinda felt Ep 7 had a plan for the next 2 films, Ep 8 changes course (not saying that's a bad thing) but it didn't leave a impression of where its going, if that made sense.

+ Rey / Kylo
+ Snoke
+ Luke (the 2nd part of the projection, with Kylo, have never read the comics etc, but i took it as a glimpse of his power in his prime, so a plus)

- Snoke's death, so that felt empty and pointless?
- Luke, im not a huge mammoth Star Wars fan, so i'm prob way off, just didn't feel like Luke, sure his guilty, maybe afraid, but to bury himself away and ignore, cowardly? not Luke (plus we have ignore the map left from TFA) ...
- the forgotten bits from TFA, Rey's vision / Knights of Ren etc

More + and -'s but keeping it short, trying not the over think (too much)

Also didnt have a issue with the Finn subplot, but just reminded me of Rebels.
 
I think the argument about fan backlash being sour-grapes is unfair and borderline trolling. I've yet to speak to a fan of Star Wars who didn't expect the original cast to die in this trilogy in order to make way for the new guys. Everyone expected this to be the case, the problem people have with it was the manner in which it was done.

Lets just recap over who Luke Skywalker is. He came from nothing, witnessed the two people that raised him incinerated by the Empire. He was launched into a battle against the Empire and destroyed the Death Star despite the impossible odds. He then goes and faces down the biggest villain in the galaxy despite what Obi Wan and Yoda tell him, he holds true to his good values in face of his teachers' wishes. He's battered and bruised and then takes an emotional and psychological blow making Vader and his place in the galaxy all the more difficult to deal with. He single-handedly then defeats Vader and the Emperor by holding true to his core values once again, he's overcome his biggest challenge in life by ultimately finding out who he is on the scale of everything and passed his biggest tests.

Who was Luke in Last Jedi? A guy who attempted to murder his nephew and a depressed retiree waiting for death. It was like a cross-franchise fanfiction about a retired old guy that lives alone in a run-down apartment block in New York who had made some bad decisions in his life and was now depressed and waiting for death. Only replace the man with Luke and New York with a Star Wars island planet.

It's like the writer/director was more interested in doing something inspite of the fans instead of giving Luke some genuine screentime, something Mark Hamill and the fans deserved after Force Awakens gave us nothing. Honestly where has this anti-fan mentality come from? They've got this franchise forever but they haven't got Luke forever, surely writing something about Luke and how he leaves the galaxy in a better place and puts Rey firmly on her path to understanding the force would have been more fulfilling instead of what they did. Why is it suddenly cool to not write a Star Wars story and get rid of everything... genuinely I can't fathom the thinking. I understood Han's death, infact I was one of few who liked how he died and its significance on Kylo's character, but now especially considering Carrie Fisher has passed... why end him on this note?

The only real Luke we get in Last Jedi is when Yoda shows up and the scene is over very quickly. Then at the end it turns out that Luke isn't even there, it's all just a trick, he never left the island. And you know, that would be fine, but now he's dead and its like depressed Luke finally got his death wish... it shows a clear misunderstanding of Luke's character, it was unnecessary and has irreversibly wounded the story and my appetite for it going forward because every character apart from Ben Solo has very little depth.
 
sunn said:
- Snoke's death, so that felt empty and pointless?
- Luke, im not a huge mammoth Star Wars fan, so i'm prob way off, just didn't feel like Luke, sure his guilty, maybe afraid, but to bury himself away and ignore, cowardly? not Luke (plus we have ignore the map left from TFA) ...
- the forgotten bits from TFA, Rey's vision / Knights of Ren etc
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Snoke's death I don't really have an issue with, I thought it was quite clever of Kylo to use Snoke's mind reading against him to cover his intentions. It's more that we still know nothing about Snoke and how he's managed to put together the FO that annoys me.

Rey's vision wasn't forgotten, the scene with Luke putting his hand on R2 was shown in the movie, it's just in the Vision you don't see the Jedi temple burning in the background. Also the rest of the vision was what happened after Kylo blew up the hut and burried Luke. It was him killing the Jedi's Luke was training, and the few that went with him to form the Knights.
 
Just back from seeing it, overall I enjoyed it, but I agree wit ha lot of what is said in this thread.

JOSH said:
Today I made the mistake of reading the comments section on a YouTube video about a car - it contained a huge Star Wars spoiler, I'm not a fan of Star Wars but damn some people are jerks!
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Yeah some people are just *******, one of the bigger subreddits actually had automod posting spoilers in a stickied comment at the top of every thread at one point. A bit sad imo.
 
Has the chance to reflect on this today. I still enjoyed the film for what it was. But there are a few things that I felt dint really help:
There was just far too much going on, the film just needed to slow down a bit. There were too many sub plots that didn't need to be there which meant really important bits felt rushed and forced. It would have liked there to have played on the tension much more.

I have no issues with any of the scenes containing Rey or Luke or the way Luke's story line finished.
The scene with Snoke, Kylo and Rey was really good, but felt like it should have been at the end of the film?
Finn and Po were just under used but on the other hand I liked Rose. The actress did well.
Adam Driver was excellent.
Snoke had no depth.

I also didn't enjoy the new first order ships. Wasn't Vader's star destroyer meant to be the biggest of them all? The new ones were just silly and OTT. Not that much time has passed since the last films in the grand scheme of things, I wouldn't have expected the technology to advance so quickly especially given the chaos that was meant to follow the downfall of the empire. The rest of the ships just looked the same...

There were far too many 'important' characters that were just in this film which meant they didn't have enough screen time to make them meaningful and their back story was just a 1 liner.

All of these characters either had significant screen time or plot points.
Luke, Leia, Rey, Kylo, Fin, Poe, Maz, Rose, VA Holdo, Snoke, Hux, Phasma, Codebreaker, Chewbacca, Connix, BB-8, R2D2, C3PO, Yoda.

19! I am sure I have missed a couple as well.

Most films only have 5 or 6 at the most.

One thing I always remember about a Star Wars film is the score, they are always excellent. Strangely I don't remember much of it. I will need to watch it again and listen more, I probably missed a lot of it because of so much going on on screen and trying to keep up.
 
HeX said:
Snoke's death I don't really have an issue with, I thought it was quite clever of Kylo to use Snoke's mind reading against him to cover his intentions. It's more that we still know nothing about Snoke and how he's managed to put together the FO that annoys me.

Rey's vision wasn't forgotten, the scene with Luke putting his hand on R2 was shown in the movie, it's just in the Vision you don't see the Jedi temple burning in the background. Also the rest of the vision was what happened after Kylo blew up the hut and burried Luke. It was him killing the Jedi's Luke was training, and the few that went with him to form the Knights.
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With Snoke, thats what i meant, i agree, was clever why, but wanted more / think we were owed some of Snoke's history.

Oh yea, maybe as above, expected more (guess im greedy, so, ok, not a TLJ's fault)

Something else that i cant place, after Rey and Kylo defeat the Praetorian guards, my thinking at the time was, why not join him, some 'light' in Kylo, would it be so bad? Rey (and co) around for balance, the New Republic didn't turn off too well, think that thought took some of the wind from the final, as i leaned towards the dark side

Also, poor Hux, put in your transfer man
 
I liked it to a certain extent. But there are some major flaws.

I'll start at the end. Light speed attack. WTF (hitting Start trek warp drive kills everything BS levels here. :D ) It did way too much damage, being this affective at wiping out a ship many times bigger. They would have made custom light speed ramming weapons already if it was really that effective. It should have just slightly damaged the ship and slowed it down a bit.

Plus why did it require someone to pilot it, no remote control really? Why didn't anyone have the idea of light speed ramming the ships with the ships that were getting destroyed earlier, the rebels really are dumb idiots, pretty much deserve to have their arses kicked, because of their incompetence. :D

Still the first order are also pretty dim. Oh we aren't fast enough the catch them. Maybe just send a couple of ships via light speed ahead of them and turn round to cut them off?

Hollywood do need to start employing people to check their script beforehand to expose the logic fails.

The bombers were fail, upon fail, upon fail. Slow even though the bombs were small, if it had been some sort of massive single bomb it would had made a bit more sense. Again why not light speed remote bombers, no that might work and would bugger the ending? :D
Why fly your stupid bombers next to each other so if one get damaged they all get damaged?

Casino part was completely pointless.
Snoke died way too easy. (hopefully he isn't dead) Kylo ren didn't bother using the force in his fight against the red cape mob, even if they have some force ability his should be much greater?
I can understand rey not using it as she's the nub.

Luke under used, no final spectacular arse kicking. Maybe he could have defected some of the laser fire and taken out a few of the walkers (even if wasn't really there). :D

Probably many more....
 
Random thought:
If the rebel ships were supposedly faster and got farther out in front of the FO ships. Wouldn't they keep just getting farther and farther away? Or did they run at a pace barely keeping in range for the lol? I mean Finn and co were gone for like 15 hours or something. Doesn't really matter I know, I've just been pondering random bits of the movie since Thursday :)
 
I love the hysteria about

Luke’s death. It’s primarily huge fans screaming “but he should have singlehandedly Jedi destroyed the whole universe, reincarnated all my wet dream characters whilst simultaneously holding off every reincarnated Sith with a lightsaber spoon!!!! It’s the only fitting death!!!!!” Nothing was ever going to make them happy.

I thought Hamill acting and the Luke in general was fantastic. He explains (though he wasn’t waving a lightsaber at the time so I’m gueesing the more rabid missed it) that he was overconfident, arrogant **** post episode 6. He thought he, with no training, knowledge, self control could shape the universe (a critical he tars all Jedi with) and his hubris destroyed it all. The fact he turned to violence when he was struggling to cope (he was hardly calm in the final scenes of return) and the fact he sealed the deal and pushed Ben to the dark side is marvellous.

He then pulls away from the force (Reys comment acknowledged by him) because he realises he isn’t the Uber god he thinks (and you fanboys think) he is just a poorly trained Jedi with an overinflated ego. He is cutting himself up over what he done and doesn’t want to cause further jeopardy by staying involved. Luke’s “death” wasn’t a death when you watch it (he died obviously) but watch it properly, he looks genuinely happy and content although he has done good, done what he should and can now move on away from his self imposed purgatory/exile.

It was fantastically written, acted and carried out but the fan base hates it because they expect him to be perfection when he was never, ever going to be.

He passed on to Rey how not to do things which was the best he could do as Yoda advises him. He doesn’t have anything else to offer.

The only slightly “off” point of it all was how/why he thinks Rey will do a better job than him as she will face the same problems. Powerful but unskilled and no way to learn unless they decide to make Leia a teacher which would make no sense.

I’ve been actively avoiding internet discussion on this (I failed and bit here :p) as it’s just rabid “fans” trying to outdo each other in displays of internet rage to get the crown of “I hate it the most!”

Once the dust settles apart from some of the daft stuff as mentioned in various spoilers this will go down as a good addition to the series.
 
I think "hatred" is a strong word, most just seem disappointed by it to me.

As an aside, I'm not really sure it'll ever be classed as a good addition - an OK at one at best maybe, and probably classed as better than the prequels but lower than the Original - but them again I'm one of the disappointed ones, and thats with the whole story not just small bits like Luke etc.
 
Rating: 4.5/10 where 5 is average.

If you took the same plots and recycled them, put in slap stick (I thought they simply missed "you're not my father" and "it's a trap") then put in cute bunnies (fluffy toy sales) and then put in action figures for the kids - more toy sales. Hmm that's about it.

It was better than Jah Jah, a return to the original 3 starwars films but not that impressed as I think Riley is a little wooden initially.

So the question was always -- why was the guy in the cells? He seemed not to have a back story except to have a quiet nap
 
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