Starting swimming, any advice?

This might help some people. These are the drills I received following my Swim4Tri coaching session. I would say they've definitely helped my stroke but I'm still convinced I have buoyancy problems due to body composition.

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There are four key concepts to facilitate you swimming faster, smoother and more efficiently through the water, these are:

1) Increase your rotation and start to swim on your side. This will minimise your frontal resistance, bringing into play the stronger muscles of your back for a more powerful pull while adding length to your stroke.

2) Lengthen your stroke. Increasing your distance travelled per stroke equates to fewer strokes per length thus reducing effort and increasing streamlining.

3) Develop the timing of your stroke. The arm cycle for long distance swimming is essentially swum with one arm working while the other arm is extended in front of the body and resting. This lengthens the body helping to keep the body parallel to the surface of the water. This aids streamlining and you reduce drag.

4) Develop a shallow leg kick. The legs should be used to balance the stroke and not be relied on to keep you afloat or to propel you forward. Even the most developed leg kick will provide less than 10% of overall propulsion. An incorrect leg kick can also create a poor body position creating drag.
Here are the drills to practice:

Front Torpedo without breath: Leg-kicking and upper body rotation drill. On your front with your hands by your side and head perfectly still. Use fins and kick from the hips. Rotate the shoulders from side to side - maximum rotation is shoulder to chin. Go as far as you can without breath then finish the rest of the length full stroke really focusing on upper body rotation.
Front Torpedo with breath: Leg-kicking and upper body rotation drill. On your front with your hands by your side and head perfectly still. Use fins and kick from the hips. Rotate the shoulders from side to side - maximum rotation is shoulder to chin. Rotate fully every 3rdrotation and hold the position, then pivot the head to breathe. The breath should be taken independently from the rotation.

Basic Extension drill: This is the first of the drills to develop full upper body rotation. The swimmer practices the fully rotated position whilst only using their legs. The position is one arm in front of them and the other is held at the side. The shoulder of the leading arm is fully rotated under the chin, which gives a fully extended position. The legs should be kicking in a downwards plane at all times. No scissoring should be occurring. The swimmer breathes every 6 kicks.

Extension Switch drill: This drill promotes good body rotation and head alignment. This looks like regular freestyle in very slow motion. One arm is extended forward, pointing towards your destination (front-hand). The other is pointing backwards (back-hand) with the arm resting against the side of your body. You should be rotated on your side with the backhand side of your body shoulder rotated out of the water. Take 6 kicks then breath quickly to the side, then another 6 kicks and then pull through with the extended arm and recover and extend forward with the other arm so your hands switch places. The front hand takes a stroke underwater and finishes against your side, becoming the backhand. The backhand recovers over the surface of the water becoming the front hand. You will now be rotated to the other side. Repeat drill.

Traditional Single Arm: Focus on one are at a time, as the hand re-enters into the water allow it to rest for account of at least two. The stationary arm is streamlined in front of the head. Think about where you are moving the water; ideally the water should be travelling underneath you out past your feet. This can only be performed with catch that bends at the elbow so the fingertips face the floor. The hand pulls centrally. You are trying to use the palm of your hand and forearm as one paddle. This only breaks at the exit of the stroke, remember fingertips point down to always hold the pressure of the water with the palm of hand.

Catch-up+1 second and 0 (touch and go): Practice this drill to isolate one arm, to practice a longstroke and a long body position. Swum like regular freestyle, except one arm is stationary, always extended forward (front arm) pointing towards the destination, while the other arm performs the stroke (working arm). When the working arm moves forward and "catches-up" with the stationary arm, they change places.

Near Style Catch Up (Fullstroke): Just like full catch-up, except the stationary (front) arm begins to work or move before the other arm fully "catches-up" - it begins to move after the working arm is about 3/4 of the way through a full arm motion,just before the working arm enters the water.
 
Smashed my swim time this morning. I've been struggling to get my 2250yd under 1 hour and just did that on Monday in 59:20. Today I just felt way better in form and every intervals was faster than ever. Took 2 minutes off my time which is a big jump forwards for me after spending months going from 1:5 down to 59 minutes!

After hitting my 1hr milestone I set a 55mins goal, should hit that soon I hope.
 
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2mins off is a big jump well done..having goals is a great way to get motivated. My long term goal is to get under 2min per 100m average, but I'm at about 2min 11 solo and 2min 6 when trailing crawlers at the moment. I've send a connection request on garmin connect

I'm attempting to do 10miles this week (5 * 2mile), last day today.... gonna be a bad one though as pool only has one lane open on Fridays and rest of pool is full of people who float and zig zag about :(
 
Has anyone here used the 'swimtag' system?

Sounds pretty good, if it works, at least from my usual point of stats=good :p

Been on a bit of a health/fitness system since the beginning of december, doing quite well and feeling good with walking/cycling/bouldering, but thinking of adding some swimming into the mix, although feel very self-conscious as I'm so fat. Went down to the local pool to check times etc and saw they had Swimtags, free to use as part of my existing membership, so was wondering whether it was worth it...
 
Well worth it, I use them all the time at my pool, it really helps to give you some great feedback on your swimming along with some challenges to help keep you motivated, does your pool have a top 9 board for distance in the last month too?
 
Good work D.P., that's real progress.

Just as I was getting the hang of bilateral breathing and an improving stroke/kick, our City Council close my local pool which will not only affect my Triathlon training plan but potentially put a real dent in my progress. It's the second city leisure centre pool they have closed in the space of a month. One was due to budget cuts, this one due to structural issues. It will be closed for 8 weeks.

This means I will now have to swim in the evening at (probably) Etwall which will only be general public swim (not lane swimming as I can't get there in the day due to work) and means I have to re-jig my current training schedule/plan. What a ballache this close to my first Triathlon.
 
Well done D.P., expect an incoming Garmin connection request from me too.

Swimming is not going well for me lately, with the routine broken by family priorities. I'm trying to grab opportunities where I can, but it's likely to involve shorter obstacle course swims for a while. I've noticed my weight is creeping back up a bit too :(
 
Well worth it, I use them all the time at my pool, it really helps to give you some great feedback on your swimming along with some challenges to help keep you motivated, does your pool have a top 9 board for distance in the last month too?

Sounds good, be nice partially just to keep track of everything, I find that really good with Strava and the cycling (and obviously Strava also does swimming but I've got nothing to track it with)

I didn't notice any top-9 board or anything, but didn't really check, fairly sure I'm a long way away from being on any distance board though :p

Hoping to give it a go next week, but only really got Wednesday and maybe Thursday where I may make a session...
 
Swimtag will link with strava and yes, the first place guy on our board this month had over 120km :eek:

Damn, that about the limit of what I can run in a week, and I really push high milliage! I can't comprehend swimming g that.
 
So ended up not being able to make yesterday so today was my first swim in many many years...

Total of 32 lengths (33m pool so just under 1066m), average pace of 163.7s/100m (which I gather is dog slow, but hey, should be easy to beat my PB's :p), and a lot of resting in between lengths :D 29 minutes swimming of 44 minutes total.

Started off 2x lengths at a time, then some 4x stints followed by a couple of 6x before ending on 4x again as I ran out of time and got kicked out :p

Swimtag is awesome, stats!!!! :D
 
Great to see I'm still terrible at swimming despite my best efforts!:mad:

Managed this swim last night in buoyancy shorts. Remember, without those shorts I can barely do half the distance!

Having focused on drills recently to try and improve my technique, I'm now aiming to do longer swims to build endurance for my first race at the end of May. At least I'm definitely going to be using a wetsuit for that!

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Don't take this the wrong way but you've got to be doing something seriously wrong for that pace with that stroke rate, the issue with needing buoyancy shorts is also a good indicator. Are you swimming freestyle? If so I absolutely recommend downloading the Mr Smooth app from swimsmooth: http://www.swimsmooth.com/ and using it as a reference so to what you should be aiming for, personally I'd guess that you are pressing the water down (towards the bottom of the pool) to try and keep your head up instead of pulling it down your body (towards the end of the pool behind you), you see it a lot in the pool I swim at.
 
I know, I can't explain why I'm so slow/inefficient at swimming! It's certainly not lack of cardio fitness.

I've already seen two expensive swim coaches who didn't identify anything glaringly wrong with my stroke but here I am, still as slow as I was 6 months ago and totally de-motivated to actually go swimming.

I don't know if you saw the videos I posted back in Feb? First without a wetsuit, second with a wetsuit.



I think I've improved my catch a bit since then as I've been working more on keeping a high elbow and also focusing more on a shallower leg kick.
 
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That looks as I expected, you're pushing the water down until you are halfway through the stroke and then starting to push it up at the end of the stroke from what I can see, which would account for your sinking legs and lack of pace.
 
That looks as I expected, you're pushing the water down until you are halfway through the stroke and then starting to push it up at the end of the stroke from what I can see, which would account for your sinking legs and lack of pace.

Any tips for avoiding that?

I'd say I've improved my early-vertical-forearm a bit since then as I've been training with paddles and a pull buoy but it's clearly still not right. Also, I think I sometimes "apply the brakes" as described on this page http://www.swimsmooth.com/catch.html.

Also, if swim coaches don't observe your stroke from under the water like my videos, how exactly can they tell what you are doing wrong?:confused:
 
They can't? I'm not an expert whatsoever so I've no idea, when I swim I just try to emulate the swimsmooth app as much as possible and make a really concious effort to pull the water from head to middle then push to my feet whilst trying not to waste energy in any other direction, my swimming is far from perfect and I am very aware it could be a great deal better but it's a lot easier to see what others are doing wrong than self analyse :)
 
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