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State of RT today. Is it usuable?

sunshinewelly said:
surprised with the negative opinions on this. Tried metro exodus last night with ray tracing enabled and using DLSS to help my 2080 and it was brilliant. I am playing on a 75 inch TV so am not sitting right up close to the screen so maybe the negative effects of dlss is not as apparent. I did not notice any difference in the image with DLSS enabled or off. It did have a great benefit on my frame rates however.

As i play with a joystick frame rates of around 40 - 44 at 4k ultra (not extreme )settings with rtx on ultra and dlss is perfectly fine in my book.
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Yeah i said the same eariler in the thread, i was expecting a slideshow in Exodus with the RT On, and it being a blury mess with the DLSS on too, but boy did i get a surprise :p, im running it at uw 3440x1440, Ultra settings.
 
Having just completed SOTTR I have to say the last level with RT looks spectacular in 4K with RT on Ultra.

Possibly the best looking bit of a game I’ve ever seen.

Onto Metro Exodus next. :D
 
nashathedog said:
One youtuber did a video on Raytracing & in the BFV Panzer level she found a lot of what you'd think was ray-traced was just fake reflections as you can see explained from 4m 50s.
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I'd imagine it is a bug not an intentional effect - Dice are not exactly known for bug free code and I can demonstrate dozens of similar issues in BF4.
 
Rroff said:
I'd imagine it is a bug not an intentional effect - Dice are not exactly known for bug free code and I can demonstrate dozens of similar issues in BF4.
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Hi, I doubt that, if it was a bug it was a very convenient one helping to enhance the RTX effect & as she said it was on a loop reappearing every 10 seconds so had she kept on mission we would never of known about it, No-one else caught it.
 
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I think the TLDR is this.....

RTX it's self or rather DXR is awesome and will be awesome in the future.

HOWEVER we are taking about DXR. RTX its's self will probably disappear as a moniker when the industry is ready (AMD, Consoles, Microsoft etc) to go all in on the technology and it becomes mainstream.
 
nashathedog said:
Hi, I doubt that, if it was a bug it was a very convenient one helping to enhance the RTX effect & as she said it was on a loop reappearing every 10 seconds so had she kept on mission we would never off known about it, No-one else caught it.
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Without someone reverse engineering the game files and/or developer confirmation (and even that might just be covering their behind and blame it on a bug) no way really to know - wouldn't be the first time they've had an effect that repeated at a set duration just repeating the script loop because they only covered 80% of the conditions that would have turned it off at the end of the scripted effect.
 
opethdisciple said:
I think the TLDR is this.....

RTX it's self or rather DXR is awesome and will be awesome in the future.

HOWEVER we are taking about DXR. RTX its's self will probably disappear as a moniker when the industry is ready (AMD, Consoles, Microsoft etc) to go all in on the technology and it becomes mainstream.
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Similar I suppose to how things could be going with G-sync.

Rroff said:
Without someone reverse engineering the game files and/or developer confirmation (and even that might just be covering their behind and blame it on a bug) no way really to know - wouldn't be the first time they've had an effect that repeated at a set duration just repeating the script loop because they only covered 80% of the conditions that would have turned it off at the end of the scripted effect.
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You're right it's possible, today's games are very complex so it isn't hard for them to miss something.

LoadsaMoney said:
Phoar! Tasty! :D
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:D Not usually my choice for tech news but she get's points for digging around & finding this.
 
opethdisciple said:
I guess so yes. But I personally still regard Gsync as the superior of the two standards.
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Overall I agree, On release the Freesync market was flooded with monitors that had sub-standard adaptive-sync support, Things have changed a lot but I think how much better it is now will be down to whether Nvidia are willing to have a support team working on adaptive-sync support to ensure their cards are tuned for specific adaptive-sync monitors.
G-sync monitors work out of the box because they have the G-sync module inside, I think a good Freesync 2 ready adaptive-sync monitor will be every bit as good as a G-sync monitor if Nvidia want it to be,
The big question is will Nvidia want it to be or will they want to keep G-sync ahead because buying a G-sync monitor locks you into their eco-system?
 
nashathedog said:
Overall I agree, On release the Freesync market was flooded with monitors that had sub-standard adaptive-sync support, Things have changed a lot but I think how much better it is now will be down to whether Nvidia are willing to have a support team working on adaptive-sync support to ensure their cards are tuned for specific adaptive-sync monitors.
G-sync monitors work out of the box because they have the G-sync module inside, I think a good Freesync 2 ready adaptive-sync monitor will be every bit as good as a G-sync monitor if Nvidia want it to be,
The big question is will Nvidia want it to be or will they want to keep G-sync ahead because buying a G-sync monitor locks you into their eco-system?
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Because it locks you in to their ecosystem.

Although saying that, lets say that Nvidia cards support FreeSync. All that does is open up the market for Nvidia owners to buy Monitors that are Freesync or Gsync. As long as the cards they produce are performant then I cant see how this is a bad thing for them to do. In fact that's exactly what they've started doing.

So yea, they are still locking you in but also allowing the Green side at least access to some Red side monitors.
 
opethdisciple said:
Because it locks you in to their ecosystem.

Although saying that, lets say that Nvidia cards support FreeSync. All that does is open up the market for Nvidia owners to buy Monitors that are Freesync or Gsync. As long as the cards they produce are performant then I cant see how this is a bad thing for them to do. In fact that's exactly what they've started doing.

So yea, they are still locking you in but also allowing the Green side at least access to some Red side monitors.
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Exactly.


HRL said:
Pah, Betamax. Or are you too young? :D
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I always wondered why VHS won as Betamax was more compact & I heard it had better image quality (I could never tell) but I suppose it was down to Betamax being Sony only where as VHS was everyone else including Sony. :)

At my local video rental store 100% of the movies were on VHS but hardly any on Betamax so I suppose that was a sign for how it was going to go.
 
nashathedog said:
I always wondered why VHS won as Betamax was more compact & I heard it had better image quality (I could never tell) but I suppose it was down to Betamax being Sony only where as VHS was everyone else including Sony. :)

At my local video rental store 100% of the movies were on VHS but hardly any on Betamax so I suppose that was a sign for how it was going to go.
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Porn, I believe. It has a lot to answer for!
 
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