Steam prices! Grey key sites! and the I love/hate developers thread - Enter if you dare!

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Do you work in the industry, or is this also speculation? Who is selling heavily discounted keys to whom? Are they selling them directly to the key sellers?
Sales yes.
Because a lot of grey keys are ripped out of boxed copies of games in places like India/Brazil. There's been enough written about this to be fairly certain of it.

This is why you should use trusted sellers such as G2play through sites like Kinguin who categorise them as recommended sellers, Don't just buy from the cheapest available or else you could easily be buying from someone running a scam. But that's on you as an individual you can't blame the industry that's developed around key codes for that.
Every industry has it's bad eggs. Whenever money is involved there's people trying to make a quick buck.
 
Because a lot of grey keys are ripped out of boxed copies of games in places like India/Brazil. There's been enough written about this to be fairly certain of it.

Is this what you have a problem with? To me it is just being entrepreneurial. It is how capitalism works. :p
 
The Tomb Raider deal was by using a VPN to connect to the Ukrainian version of Microsoft's own App Store. No "dodgy dealers" involved.

You seem to be saying you don't agree with this kind of thing? Use of VPNs?
I don't
Some keys on Kinguin are Russian and need a VPN to activate. Some keys are Russian but don't have a region lock. How are they different?
It's on whoever's buying a game to decide who they buy from, There's obviously a loophole some people choose to exploit that is on them not the key code industry as a whole.

Specifically how is it different to use a VPN to activate a game priced for Russians that's region locked, to just buying a non-region-locked game at Russian prices?

The only difference is the use of a region lock, but otherwise it's the same thing, no?

You're generalising too much, How was the non region locked Russian priced game obtained? If it came from a legitimate source then it is very different.
 
Hmm, hang on here.

It's wrong to use VPNs to bypass region locks, you say.

Tell me why region locks exist... is it not to protect regional pricing structures?

Yet you say it's OK to buy a Russian key at Russian prices if it's not region locked.

Interesting.
 
Hmm, hang on here.

It's wrong to use VPNs to bypass region locks, you say.

Tell me why region locks exist... is it not to protect regional pricing structures?

Yet you say it's OK to buy a Russian key at Russian prices if it's not region locked.

Interesting.

That's not what I was saying at all, If a key is not region locked and it is fine to use it anywhere in the world then it is fine to buy it at a discount.

I don't even know what Russian prices are and more importantly I do not care, I'm not in Russia and I do not buy Russian locked games.

If a code is not region locked how do you know it's Russian anyway?

If it's not region locked isn't it Worldwide by default?

Ahh I get it, You didn't actually have an answer so instead you're playing games with the way I worded my response to your hypothetical scenario regarding Russian keys?

So tell me how would you buy a Russian game at Russian prices without doing it underhandedly such as with a vpn?
 
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Actually, all it required was going to Windows settings and changing the region from UK to Ukraine, then entering a Ukrainian postcode when paying for it.

Or just 00000 as the postcode, the rest of the address could be your own, and yes as you said, no vpn. You just had to change the region in settings on your PC.
 
Yep 100% correct

No VPN required - as if there was a requirement to do this I would not have bothered.

:D

Still underhand and borderline illegal though.

Once these loopholes are closed and they actually start prosecuting people for doing it (or at least blocking access to the games they bought in this way) it'll stop and regular key code deals are the only option all will be right in the world again :)

At the end of the day once you factor in dlc's I still spend a good 40 quid on each game so there not cheap and the fact that dev's can bring decent games like Mad Max to market at a reasonable price proves it's perfectly doable.
 
Once these loopholes are closed and they actually start prosecuting people for doing it (or at least blocking access to the games they bought in this way) it'll stop and regular key code deals are the only option all will be right in the world again :)

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Yep, and until they do the cost conscious masses will continue to buy the cheapest they can find!
 
Ive been stung way to many times paying over priced prices for virtual games,cheapest way all the way for me now :D

Unless there's some great incentive to buy retail which nowa days there isn't much unless your a pre-pubesant teen that likes all the toys an cheesey freebies
 
but would he buy his tickets direct from the airline at full price?

Or would he hunt about for a cheaper better flight deal?

After all, we wouldn't want anyone losing out now would we ;)

I don't recall saying you should buy from the most expensive UK retailer. Perhaps you could show me where I said that.

And if you can't, perhaps you could stop posting tripe.
 
I don't recall saying you should buy from the most expensive UK retailer. Perhaps you could show me where I said that.

And if you can't, perhaps you could stop posting tripe.

Perhaps you could show me where I said "most expensive".

I'm sure I used to words "direct" and "full price" did I not? I think my ironic post might have been lost on you...

You clearly have a bee in your bonnet about this topic, and rightly so! Everyone is allowed an opinion after all. Just try not get your knickers in a twist about it when others disagree and are willing to discuss why.
 
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