Steve Jobs has died. What effect, if any, will it have on Apple and the tech industry?

jonneymendoza · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:43

Naff8000 said:
I don't know if you really know what you're blabbing on about. When Apple release their products they change the tech industry for the better as competitors have to constantly up their game, copy ideas etc to compete. How many other companies can you say that about.

copy ideas? its apple that has been copying ideas since teh dawn of time. notifcations on the new ios5. Siri voice commands? WOW as if i have NEVER seen or used any of those on my android device :rolleyes:

mmj_uk · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:44

I don't understand the Apple/Steve Jobs worship at all but RIP.

jonneymendoza · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:46

mmj_uk said:
I don't understand the Apple/Steve Jobs worship at all but RIP.

likewise mate.

Clipsey · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:47

AcidHell2 said:
As for windows your wrong. They have scrapped windows mobile and actual produced a modern OS. They will gain marketshare. Nokia and samsung are expecting it.

They are down in market share already from earlier this year

Robbo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:48

jonneymendoza said:
copy ideas? its apple that has been copying ideas since teh dawn of time. notifcations on the new ios5. Siri voice commands? WOW as if i have NEVER seen or used any of those on my android device

Android in it's entirety is a copy of iOS for goodness sake. It's developed a lot more now but the base it's built on is very much influenced by iOS.

You're really, really clueless.

Glaucus · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:48

jonneymendoza said:
copy ideas? its apple that has been copying ideas since teh dawn of time. notifcations on the new ios5. Siri voice commands? WOW as if i have NEVER seen or used any of those on my android device

It's not a straight copy though. They actually fully integrate it as well as taking the idea and making it work properly in a useful way for consumers.

There's very little new ideas these days, most things have been done in one form or another for years if not decades. What apple does is take those initial ideas fully integrates it and implements it in a useful way for consumers.

It's not good enough having cloud computing like dropbox, it's to geeky. But implement it like apple has or how it's implemented in w8 and suddenly you have a very different feature.

That's coming from someone who has a dropbox subscription.

Neodite · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:50

Robbo said:
Wrong.

Market share isn't a fair comparison in this case. It's the old Ford vs Aston Martin argument again.

True.

But as a DEV point of view. If i was to make a mobile APP. And seen the number for how many people own an Android phone to an Apple one. I know i would be learning Java

a lot more customers.

The Dread Pirate · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:50

No matter how much you argue the case for the Windows Phones they're still MS products and thus eveyone is obligated to hate them.

Robbo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:51

Neodite said:
a lot more customers.

That depends on your app though, given all the different hardware Android phones are running.

Capn' $qu!ff said:
No matter how much you argue the case for the Windows Phones they're still MS products and thus eveyone is obligated to hate them.

Microsoft are awesome, what's wrong with them?

Glaucus · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:51

Clipsey said:
They are down in market share already from earlier this year

How did you figure that, or are you using figures including windows mobile.
Interesting that slide has also stopped. Sales of w7p are now equal or more than the loss in the windows mobile Market.

W7p is on the rise. It's now hit 7% in USA and is only recently been available on verizon.

Forecast is for a 5% marketshare by the end of q4, so also a net increase in global terms.
windows will increase it's Market share.

The Dread Pirate · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:52

Robbo said:
Microsoft are awesome, what's wrong with them?

Where would you like to begin? :rolleyes:

Cosimo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:54

Capn' $qu!ff said:
Where would you like to begin?

Go on you start.

jonneymendoza · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:54

Robbo said:
Android in it's entirety is a copy of iOS for goodness sake. It's developed a lot more now but the base it's built on is very much influenced by iOS.

You're really, really clueless.

How? it is nothing like iOs. your a proper apple fanboy aint ya. jesus.

android has a fully customized UI . background notifications and tasks. TRUE multitask applications etc etc.

its vastly different to iOS. really are a fanboy aint ya. i develope mobile applications for a living so know what im talking about unlike you

jonneymendoza · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:56

AcidHell2 said:
It's not a straight copy though. They actually fully integrate it as well as taking the idea and making it work properly in a useful way for consumers.

There's very little new ideas these days, most things have been done in one form or another for years if not decades. What apple does is take those initial ideas fully integrates it and implements it in a useful way for consumers.

It's not good enough having cloud computing like dropbox, it's to geeky. But implement it like apple has or how it's implemented in w8 and suddenly you have a very different feature.

That's coming from someone who has a dropbox subscription.

fully intergrate what? notifications? how? its a straight copy and paste job with an apple logo slapped on it from what i can see. Your telling me that the android notifications system is too geeky? really?

Unless your talking about something completely different. don even know where dropbox came into this equation

Glaucus · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:58

I wasn't talking about notification.

But everything which is where drop box came into it. Things like cloud storage, media purchases, Siri and everything else.

Apple take existing stuff(just like all companies, nothing new in android or windows either), fully integrate it and at the same time also improve the capabilities.

The Dread Pirate · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:59

Closed Source Monopolising ****s, All marketing and **** all development, sueing innocent companies who don't infringe on their patents but they insist do, Charging extortionate amounts for their software which really isn't worth it, BSODs, Vista...

I can go on but I'm afraid if I do I'll never stop until death comes to give me that £100 he owes me!

Robbo · 6 Oct 2011 at 16:59

jonneymendoza said:
How? it is nothing like iOs. your a proper apple fanboy aint ya. jesus.

You really think it's absolutely nothing like iOS?

You're a proper Android fanboy ain't ya.

jonneymendoza said:
android has a fully customized UI . background notifications and tasks. TRUE multitask applications etc etc.

its vastly different to iOS. really are a fanboy aint ya. i develope mobile applications for a living so know what im talking about unlike you

You're right, they just lifted most of that out of Symbian.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you're clueless. You know nothing, you're just here to try and put across a stupid point that you don't even understand yourself.

StriderX · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:03

Capn' $qu!ff said:
Closed Source Monopolising ****s, All marketing and **** all development, sueing innocent companies who don't infringe on their patents but they insist do, Charging extortionate amounts for their software which really isn't worth it, BSODs, Vista...

I can go on but I'm afraid if I do I'll never stop until death comes to give me that £100 he owes me!

Did you just explain what most big companies are like?

Most of those reasons can be put back on apple, frankly.

The Dread Pirate · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:04

StriderX said:
Most of those reasons can be put back on apple, frankly.

I hate them too!

jonneymendoza · 6 Oct 2011 at 17:05

Robbo said:
You really think it's absolutely nothing like iOS?

You're a proper Android fanboy ain't ya.

You're right, they just lifted most of that out of Symbian.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you're clueless. You know nothing, you're just here to try and put across a stupid point that you don't even understand yourself.

Your the clueless fanboy here. me an android fanboy who owns various apple stuff? yea man i am certainly am android fanboy

Try again and next time dont post rubbish mate.

You dont develope android and iphone apps. i do and for a living. i know and worked with various sdk's on ios and android so i know my ****. if i diddnt know my **** i wouldn't be hired as a professional moil developer.